TheMaster
County: Mayo
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Strange Ailteor, you wont take on anything DerryCityFC has to say, you disagree with him through my posts, and hang onto the assumption that I havent lived up there. Yet Im quoting his points, and Im pretty sure he has lived up there.

The reality is every point against is backed up with an individual story where the person posting was personally affected. Clearly, they are emotionally involved in that instance. However, it seems to be lost on them that similar incidents happen in the other direction also. You have to look at the bigger picture also.

Strange Master that you don't want to take on board what the majority of northern posters are saying, and cling to dear life to some highly suspect stories as it suits your argument. It's funny that when Doire and Ormo were pushed on the issue of a lack of general unionist inclusivity, it's funny how both end up in a "Norn Iron" supporters bar on Sandy Row in GAA tops and had the night of the lives. Pull the other one. Here I was there last week and got battered. This must be 100% true as it's from someone who was there and is backed up with an individual story right? That's all that's needed to disprove the overwhelming majority right?

Also, weren't you the same fella preaching about James McClean being in the wrong, because when he is England and wants to play for an English team, he should respect and join in with their customs and traditions. Yet when "British" unionists want to play an Irish sport they shouldn't respect our customs or traditions? Funny how the condescending "matured as a nation" brigade are always so "progressive" and when it comes to Ireland and her traditions, yet are always oh so conservative when it comes to Britain, her history and traditions. Apparently you are only objective when being Irish if you always take the anti-Irish stance in regards unionism, and the fact you are Irish then magically make your point objective.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4122 - 29/09/2015 20:52:49    1793930

Badmonkey, I suggest you go and visit clubs like St.Enda's, Ardoyne, Bellaghy, Moy, Swatragh, the Ards Peninsula clubs etc and tell the members they are being unreasonable or bigoted. The people in these clubs will show you the scrap books recording the numerous attacks on these clubs. Then you can maybe take a walk around the numerous graveyards in the North where GAA members lie murdered BECAUSE they were Gaels. Your ignorance and bias blinds you to reality.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 29/09/2015 20:57:41    1793934

Many people would do well to open their eyes before coming out with such ridiculous assertions, be they in Ireland or the USA. I had posted a question earlier in a post which went via Bermuda to ask those who are calling for this move to make it more inclusive - more inclusive for who, who are you trying to attract? The unionist community have made their feelings of anything Irish, including the GAA, very clear.

Arelene Foster on the BBCs 'The View' in the wake of the Unionists walking out on Stormont a few weeks back:

"I have been placed there as a gatekeeper to make sure that Sinn Féin and the SDLP ministers don't take actions that will damage Northern Ireland and principally, let's be honest, that damage the unionist community."
She added: "If anybody knows me and indeed knows the Democratic Unionist Party they know that I'm not going to put at risk to the people of Northern Ireland the possibility that rogue Sinn Féin or renegade SDLP ministers are going to take decisions that will harm the community in Northern Ireland."

On the Irish Language Act which was to be introduced by the Government of NI as part of the St Andrews agreement:

The East Derry MP Gregory Campbell who recently lampooned the Irish language in the Northern Assembly with his "curry my yogurt, a can coca coalyer" comment has told Sinn Féin it will never get an Irish language act.
Mr Campell said at the DUP annual conference that Sinn Féin would love nothing more than to lull unionists into agreeing to "costly projects" such as a bill of rights, and "their long demanded Irish language Act".
"On behalf of our party let me say clearly, and slowly so that Caitriona Ruane and Gerry Adams understand, we will never agree to an Irish language act at Stormont and we will treat their entire wish list as no more than toilet paper. They better get used to it," he said.

And anytime in elections where there is a danger of a Unionist seat being taken by a Nationalist or Republican politician they draw up pacts just so that it doesn't go in to Green hands.

And these are the people who posters on here think we should be changing our ways to appease. Wise up people and see things for what they are. There is nothing Unionists would love more than to see the flag and anthem removed from GAA pitches across the North but if you think they will then rush to participate in the Association then I worry for you.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 29/09/2015 21:01:06    1793937

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Does the GAA realy give us identity all over the globe? There is much greater signs of irish identity than the GAA.

Name five

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/09/2015 21:01:45    1793938

Nothing to do with servers..... posts have to be accepted before they go live on the website

Ha, no shit Sherlock. No flies on you Sir.... ;-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 29/09/2015 21:02:45    1793939

Is Jarleth thinking of running for Alliance. South Armagh could be a stronghold

19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1596 - 29/09/2015 21:03:36    1793940

More irrelevant emotive nonsense Ulsterman. Jarlath Burns is also a GAA man and you no more speak for the people in those clubs anymore than you speak for Jarlath Burns. Stick to the British soccer

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 29/09/2015 21:15:06    1793949

Can he speak English ???

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 29/09/2015 21:19:33    1793952

Badmonkey, given the fact I live beside two of these clubs, and know many members very well, I believe my opinions are far more in tune with them than Jarlath or your detached, deluded nonsense. Nothing emotive, it's called REALITY. I lived it, your words show you didn't and haven't a clue. Go and dunk some donuts.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 29/09/2015 21:23:24    1793954

Htaem
I would not class any of those people as thick, as to be honest most of us are more or less financially secure. Even though I spent close on 48 years here in the UK the partition of Ireland still bothers me and a lot more here So if they chose not to go to Croke Park fair dues to them. I am still going but the Irish rugby or soccer teams don't bother me ---- I'd rather follow Celtic and to be sure I will see plenty of Tri colours there I might have followed the rugby team but again no National Anthem so I don't follow them.
Donegal have a big Protestant population( 15000 maybe) but I can't recall one playing for the county. If they wanted to play they would have been accomadated and would not have been discriminated against. I worked with some of them in England and at the weekend in the Irish pubs after the music they stood for the National Anthem. ( the Irish national anthem was always played at the endothelial night in Irish pubs/ Dance halls in Britain )
The other thing Htaem is the GAA accomadated Irish people with different political views and we all have a right to that organisation. Some of us here hold very strong views on matters concerning Ireland and always will but that don't mean we should not be GAA members.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 29/09/2015 21:30:41    1793962

ormondbannerman
Does the GAA realy give us identity all over the globe? There is much greater signs of irish identity than the GAA.
29/09/2015 21:01:45 Marlon_JD
Name five Traditional Irish Music/Irish Dancing/Irish Language/Guinness could be used/is used to identify as irish/
All greater than GAA.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/09/2015 21:35:37    1793966

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Name five Traditional Irish Music/Irish Dancing/Irish Language/Guinness could be used/is used to identify as irish/
All greater than GAA.
Guinness is more symbolic of Irish culture than the GAA? You can't possibly believe that, right? Say it ain't so, you're winding ol' Marlon up, right?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/09/2015 21:42:12    1793973

I think your really out of touch with Ireland, badmonkey. Do you only read about it in the oirish toimes?

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 29/09/2015 21:57:33    1793987

Change the flag or anthem, and it will be some other excuse for Unioniats to complain. Gregory Campbell lives in the past. They thrive on casting Nationalists/ Catholics as a danger. Time to move on to the 21st century, Gregory is in the 1920's.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 29/09/2015 21:58:32    1793988

The funny thing is that if partition was ever to end the flag would be changed (the green with the harp) this is widely accepted and even put forward by the shinners. Also the anthem would have to change (Irelands call?) .
Would we have the nordies up in arms then if it was for unification? No they would call the rest of us partionist for wanting to keep them.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/09/2015 21:58:47    1793989

Now that the board is closing can everyone please stand for the national anthem.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 29/09/2015 21:58:50    1793990

Ormondbannerman
Yes sir the GAA does give us an identity throughout the world.
I have been at games in LondonLuton Birmingham New York and Philidelphia. The tricolour was flown at all those grounds and at finals here in London the National Anthem was played. If you lived long enough away from home you would what the GAA ment to Irish people. Imagine if it died out tomorrow in Ireland what would we do next summer. What would all the you kids do who are introduced to Gaelic games at a young age.
We have the G AA since 1884 , it's our (Irish people)national game , reminds us of our heritage and long may it continue but we must keep to the ideas of the founders.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 29/09/2015 21:59:49    1793991

@TheMaster - I mightn't agree with DoireCityFC. I certainly wouldn't agree with what you have to add on this topic. If you want to bring 'personal experience' into this, I could cite plenty as I live up here. Do you?

Your comment about the bigger picture is a gas. The bigger picture [yet again as you haven't grasped it], is that many Unionists won't have anything to do with GAA full stop. So why do Jarlath Burns and the likes of you feel the need to bend over backwards to people who have no time for GAA or other aspects of what they regard as a foreign culture e.g. the Irish language? People who wouldn't make any reciprocal gesture.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 861 - 29/09/2015 22:04:10    1793993

htaem:

Exactly, so bring the flags and jerseys of your county, the tricolour and amhran na bhfiann are not necessary at all because our national team is not present, it's a waste of time and does nothing but try to ram patriotism down our throats, I'm Irish, I get it, tis a grand aul place altogether, now can we just get on with the sport, which is what I actually came to see.

So you will support the removal of the National Flag and National Anthem but you still want to wear the county colours? Do you see a paradox there?

I have to say if Burns' proposals are adopted that would more or less end my interest in GAA for good. We should be proud of who we are and encourage people to join, not pander to a tiny minority of people who have little or no interest anyway.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/09/2015 08:08:23    1793995

By Jarlath's logic club colours and names will become a thing of the past. Will we not be allowed to wear green tops? Will names have to be changed such as Pearse's/Sean McDermott's/Clarkes? Names, symbols and colours are an integral part of the GAA I know, we should be proud of the colours we wear when we play and the people our clubs are named after and the flag we play under. I agree with including all in society but changing any or all of the above will not change the attitudes of those who do not want to change. Will the union flag be taken down at soccer clubs and will fans not be allowed to take such flags into soccer grounds...I think not!

Agree 100%

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/09/2015 08:12:14    1793996