Sorry, but have a read of the posts and experiences of DerryCityFC? I think you will find that it is yourself who doesn't have a clue. All you seem to do is talk about 'their' attitude. Id ask you, have you considered your own attitude at all? It seems to me you don't want 'them' having any part in gaa.

Also, this rubbish about running for the gaa presidency. Have you actually stopped to consider that scenario in any way? How is saying something that alienates many, going to win you votes? What popularity manual did you read that one in? It is complete garbage.

The sad reality is, we are just going to have to wait another 20 years, but this will inevitably happen - same as everything before it.


Aye because he is the oracle when it comes to all things related to 'norn irn'. For examplehis story about going into the NI Supporters club with a derry jersey on... well he's simply not telling the truth and that's being diplomatic about it.
I live not far from Sandy Row, closer to the Village area tbh where Windsor park is, and I can tell you if anyone went into that bar with a GAA top on then they wouldn't be talking about it now.

So again Master i'll invite you to call up and preach your gospel of inclusivity to sandy row and the shankill, lets see how long you last

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 29/09/2015 16:11:52    1793766

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
Posts: 1202

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"As ive said before to others Master, feel free to come up to the Shankill or Sandy Row and preach your gospel of inclusivity with your soft southern brogue."

few years back i got lost on the sandy row in my away derry top. went to the NI supporters club with a couple i met and had a great night. no bother at all. i was even showing them my Amhrán na bhFiann tatt on my upper back i got that year in king cross in sydney. had no bother. Same weekend i met a guy in the bar opposite the indian place on the lisburn road. guy did serious time something for some loyalist group and spoke more irish than anyone bar one person i know.

I really doubt that Doire. I nearly got the head kicked off me a few hundred yards above that for referring to Derry as Derry and not LondonDerry

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 29/09/2015 16:18:01    1793774

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 14024

1793741 IrelandUnited, not one word of that has anything to do with sport. It has no place in the argument. This is the problem - people attaching other things onto what is a sporting contest between two teams.

Yeah because sport and politics never mix.... except at Olympic and Winter Olympic Games occasionally

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 29/09/2015 16:20:17    1793779

"Sorry, but have a read of the posts and experiences of DerryCityFC? I think you will find that it is yourself who doesn't have a clue. All you seem to do is talk about 'their' attitude. Id ask you, have you considered your own attitude at all? It seems to me you don't want 'them' having any part in gaa."

The person i go to most matches with is from the other side so i have no issue. I work in community relations myself for a northern body so have no issues. I thought my comments showed that i wanted everyone included

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/09/2015 16:20:29    1793780

"I really doubt that Doire. I nearly got the head kicked off me a few hundred yards above that for referring to Derry as Derry and not LondonDerry"

Sorry to hear that. i have a tendancy to land on my feet so have never experienced anything like that happening to myself anywhere in the world. I wore GAA tops for 3 years while at uni and never got any hassle

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/09/2015 16:21:28    1793783

"I really doubt that Doire. I nearly got the head kicked off me a few hundred yards above that for referring to Derry as Derry and not LondonDerry"

alot of people around there do say "dont you be londonderry mate"

My usual 2 responses with a smile are....."yeah but the first 6 letters are silent" or "call it what you like its still a shithole ha ha"


Its all about defusing situations rather than provoking them in my experience

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/09/2015 16:23:05    1793786

@TheMaster - Unlike you, I live up here and have done for several years now. As I said before, you haven't got a clue. I'd pay good money to see you you walk down Sandy Row in your Mayo jersey carrying a Mayo GAA bag and see how far you'd get before the locals gave you a dose of their 'inclusiveness'.

@bumpernut - You're a braver man than me if you're living near the Village. I remember 3 years ago a Catholic being badly beaten and left for dead there.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 861 - 29/09/2015 16:29:01    1793791

AnBuachaillGlas ha ha good post

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/09/2015 16:29:08    1793792

slayer

Honestly it's absolute b***ox this suggestions from Burns. Flags, colour and geographical pride are part of what makes the GAA.

Exactly, so bring the flags and jerseys of your county, the tricolour and amhran na bhfiann are not necessary at all because our national team is not present, it's a waste of time and does nothing but try to ram patriotism down our throats, I'm Irish, I get it, tis a grand aul place altogether, now can we just get on with the sport, which is what I actually came to see.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/09/2015 16:30:13    1793793

Can you imagine asking the British goverement to take their flag down
to accomodate a few catholics lets be realistic there is no Unionist who
would play gaelic cant believe Burns coming out with a statement like
that if the english want to play our native game they play it on our terms

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 29/09/2015 16:35:09    1793796

bumpernut
Aye because he is the oracle when it comes to all things related to 'norn irn'. For examplehis story about going into the NI Supporters club with a derry jersey on... well he's simply not telling the truth and that's being diplomatic about it.
I live not far from Sandy Row, closer to the Village area tbh where Windsor park is, and I can tell you if anyone went into that bar with a GAA top on then they wouldn't be talking about it now.

So again Master i'll invite you to call up and preach your gospel of inclusivity to sandy row and the shankill, lets see how long you last

No he isn't the oracle, but he is showing that there are good factions and bad - same as on the nationalist side. You don't stop to consider that there are bars on the opposite side that the exact same thing is true. There are pubs in Dublin that don't serve people if they are English.

It isn't about preaching gospel in front of some people who will take offence, it is about realising that the ones who take offence don't speak for everyone. Why should some ignorant fool, on either side, hold any kind of sway over the masses? Leave them behind with their bigotry. The rest of us are better off without them anyway.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/09/2015 16:37:29    1793797

rahillyman
County: Tyrone
Posts: 265

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I have to laugh at the mentality of some of the replies on this board. If you lived up here you would know that even if we stopped playing the national anthem and stopped flying the tricolour our national flag and we renamed all our clubs to king billy or prince charles the unionists would still find fault and reasons to feel intimidated. Coming from South Armagh I would have thought Jarlath Burns would know that


Spot on!

29/09/2015 13:27:37 flack
Your missing my point doirecity, there's no reason for unionists to be offended by our flag or anthem. I know a lot of nationalists from the north, and they always struck me as very reasonable in what they expected from unionists. Noone ever did or will oppress or discriminate against them (even the IRAs beef was with the 'occupying forces' not unionists per se) the flag itself is an act of conciliation and the anthem celebrates the bravery if the men who gained our freedom, without running anyone down in particular.
But then again, these days everyone loves being 'offended' by everything that doesn't fit into their narrow minds. They're usually people who bleat on about how open-minded they are Why do you say there is no reason for offence? That clearly isn't true if you look at NI politics and the politics of the divided society that is NI
29/09/2015 14:08:38 Htaem
I agree that the world is very pc at the minute and plenty of people line up just to be offended and that we shouldn't pander to them. But again my question with the playing of the anthem and flying of the flag has nothing to do with not wanting to offend anybody I just can't see the point of it, what purpose does it serve? Do people actually go to games to hear the anthem and see the flag or do they go for the sport?
I honestly don't get it, what is a national anthem and a national flag at an event where no national team is present doing for people? If the anthem is played and flag flown at all big games its clear that there is political motives behind their use whether that's meant or not so of course unionists would disagree with them being there.
29/09/2015 14:11:16 Tim_Burr
Names of clubs and the anthem are irrelevant and not an issue so leave them alone.
Id rather Jarlath and Croke Park deal with the problems for those of us in a management or coaching role within local clubs are having to deal with. Hurling is struggling outside of the top 8 counties and theyre doing nothing especially in Ulster to address this. Im sure most people are finding many issues within their clubs and counties much more important than this nonsense. Names of clubs is certainly not irrelevant if we're discussing issues in the North and getting British Nationalists/Protestants/Unionists involved in the association in some form....
29/09/2015 14:26:08 hurlinspuds
We shouldn't lose other things that really add to games.
June sundays in Thurles with the anthem playing is where it's at. I'm sure that's just as true in salthill, wexford park and casement park.Does playing the anthem at any kind of game with a few hundred or thousand really add to the game????

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/09/2015 16:55:30    1793809

29/09/2015 15:02:22 AnBuachaillGlas
Well said Jarlath Burns WELL SAID
this is sport not religion not politics just sport.
Symbols are a very divisive thing and northerners know that fine well. Many posters seem to crave this need to wave flags or banners to demonstrate their political view, to stamp the GAA as OURS as our sides game. To play the anthem at every chance to again brand the GAA as OUR sides. I couldnt give a damm if the tricolour or anthem was never heard again at a GAA match. WHO CARES...NOT ME +1. Spot on

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/09/2015 16:58:32    1793810

By Jarlath's logic club colours and names will become a thing of the past. Will we not be allowed to wear green tops? Will names have to be changed such as Pearse's/Sean McDermott's/Clarkes? Names, symbols and colours are an integral part of the GAA I know, we should be proud of the colours we wear when we play and the people our clubs are named after and the flag we play under. I agree with including all in society but changing any or all of the above will not change the attitudes of those who do not want to change. Will the union flag be taken down at soccer clubs and will fans not be allowed to take such flags into soccer grounds...I think not!

mmdtc2011 (Tyrone) - Posts: 125 - 29/09/2015 17:04:32    1793813

Sorry, but have a read of the posts and experiences of DerryCityFC? I think you will find that it is yourself who doesn't have a clue. All you seem to do is talk about 'their' attitude. Id ask you, have you considered your own attitude at all? It seems to me you don't want 'them' having any part in gaa.

Also, this rubbish about running for the gaa presidency. Have you actually stopped to consider that scenario in any way? How is saying something that alienates many, going to win you votes? What popularity manual did you read that one in? It is complete garbage.

The sad reality is, we are just going to have to wait another 20 years, but this will inevitably happen - same as everything before it.

As others have pointed out on here his experiences may/may not be reflective of what happens, particularly where Sandy Row comes into things. I'd be grateful if you could show me precisely where I said 'they' have no part in the GAA. Like it or not, most Unionists have no time for GAA. Get rid of the tricolour and the national anthem and there'll be something else they object to. That's the reality, something which escapes you in Mayo.

Re: the GAA presidency - see the comments on here from Armagh people that Burns made his remarks with one eye on the top job. Keeping a high media profile and being labelled "progressive" won't do him any harm.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 861 - 29/09/2015 17:06:54    1793815

Having lived a number of years in the northern six, I would support the suggestion by Burns. Going back nearly 70 years I can remember the feeling of pride in seeing the tri-colour flying and hearing the national anthem. However I think that over that 70 years we have grown sufficiently not to need such symbols at GAA grounds to give us confidence in who we are. It seems ridiculous standing for the National Anthem, generally sung very badly, when our national team is not playing. The fact that the crowd won't wait for the anthem to finish before breaking into all kinds of roaring and cheering simply sees the anthem being disrespected.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 29/09/2015 17:30:30    1793831

@rahillyman - Well said. You could get rid of the national anthem and tricolour, rename the grounds and they'd still find something to object to. Next it'd be too many counties playing in green and gold or green and white jersies.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 861 - 29/09/2015 17:34:36    1793834

Fully agree with Jarlath Burns. No need for any divisive flags/songs at sporting events, Ravenhill doesnt fly Union Jack for this reason. Seems the Ulster brigade on here love their flegs too much though

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 29/09/2015 17:38:21    1793836

Firstly the anthem been played at every game is ridiculous, look on Leinster semi final day the first game doesn't get the anthem the second one does, but yet on a cold wet night in pairc t we get a terrible rendition before a O'Byrne game ? Silly.
Anthem should be reserved for finals only be it league provincial or all ire only. Or get rid of it altogether , i only know the last line anyway, which as we all know is come on the royal. :).

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/09/2015 17:43:18    1793837