"Last time i checked the DUP didnt represent 100% of unionists. I must have missed the fact that the alliance and UUP didnt get a single vote and I must also have missed the story where the unionist population had 100% turnout in the most recent election. Fair play to them that must have taken some skill to organise

Do i need to highlight Tom Elliots comments in relation to attending a gaa game or a gay pride march? So you are back down to the Alliance party now. What percentage of the vote did they receive in the last assembly elections? "

I dont listen to or read what any political rep says to be honest. If i wanted to hear lies i can get that down at the local pub

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:32:27    1797395

Many members of the GAA fought in that Rising Doire City.The
GAA/IRB/IRA/Sinn Fein/AOH etc were interwined, many people
were members of various organisations.

The flag and anthem we have people fought hard for.It is our
duty to maintain them thats the point.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 11:40:35    1797400

'Ive said it before people who wont accept change are no better than those american gun nuts who wont give up their arms because thats the way its always been and always shall be as far as they are concerned'

That's quite a parallel there!

I think that statement in itself says enough

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 09/10/2015 11:42:10    1797402

"BTW Doire how are both sides as bad as each other in this instance? The Shinners supported the motion for the NI football team? "

They are the same as they are petty. They said this and then they said that. He did this to me and he did that to me. They shouldnt even be talking about football games......they should be talking about jobs and health care. Who listens to these people????

Does anyone look at policies before voting or do they vote for a colour? How many of these people have a third level education?

the ni assembly is like watching 5 years old fighting in a playground over a football and every now and then one of the gets the ball and shouts "its my ball and im going home"

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:43:56    1797405

I dont listen to or read what any political rep says to be honest. If i wanted to hear lies i can get that down at the local pub

But the views expressed by these unionists reflect the opinions of a lot of the unionist population of NI. Perhaps you should take your head out of the sand and listen to what these people are saying.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/10/2015 11:45:36    1797407

'so you think we should all just have the same opinions as the majority.'

Oh the irony!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 09/10/2015 11:45:40    1797408

The Alliance party are effectively Unionist light.

Why did Burns even suggest that the flag and anthem
could go???

Our anthem and flag at our National sport should not
be up for discussion.They are not a bargaining chip to
placate Unionists who have no interest in the GAA and
just want our Irish symbols diluted.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 11:48:29    1797411

DoirecityFC Could you or someone else explain this to me. The DUP (the more hardline unionist party) had 35% of the protestant vote before the peace process, they now have in the region of double that. Why has the mainstream Unionist population hardened its position unless it is an unwillingness to change

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 09/10/2015 11:55:04    1797415

Bumpernut what i said was in reply to this comment:

"Sorry but if you don't accept that when the rest of the world does I'd question you or anyone else who has an issue with it…."

so you think we should all just have the same opinions as the majority. good thinking there. Pick up a copy of 1984 on your way home it will show what this opinion can lead to. "


Please point of the irony. I think the word you were looking for was sarcasm

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:58:22    1797417

They are the same as they are petty. They said this and then they said that. He did this to me and he did that to me. They shouldnt even be talking about football games......they should be talking about jobs and health care. Who listens to these people????

Does anyone look at policies before voting or do they vote for a colour? How many of these people have a third level education?

the ni assembly is like watching 5 years old fighting in a playground over a football and every now and then one of the gets the ball and shouts "its my ball and im going home

Doire most parliaments express well wishes to sporting teams before big games. It's a common practice and they usually go off without a hitch.

I have a masters Doire. Do I meet the criteria to vote now?

I work with a number of English people and they have said to me on a number of occasions that the major problem in Northern Ireland are Unionist attitudes.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/10/2015 11:58:44    1797418

Cannot believe this is still a talking point .. GAA will not appease extremist bigots . End of.

DCFC if you feel so strongly , get on your county committee and raise for a motion to be discussed at congress. This would be much more conclusive than the trolling and wumming you and others currently prefer .

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 09/10/2015 12:07:27    1797423

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
Posts: 1297

1797417 Bumpernut what i said was in reply to this comment:

"Sorry but if you don't accept that when the rest of the world does I'd question you or anyone else who has an issue with it…."

so you think we should all just have the same opinions as the majority. good thinking there. Pick up a copy of 1984 on your way home it will show what this opinion can lead to. "


Please point of the irony. I think the word you were looking for was sarcasm


You obviously need some of this third level education you speak about.

Irony because apparently the majority of the country and world think like you of course!

You see you can be ironic and sarcastic all in one go!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 09/10/2015 12:21:33    1797430

Haven't been following the thread recently so don't shoot me if this has been posted already. Joe Brolly has his say:

link

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 09/10/2015 13:10:51    1797458

Brilliant words from Joe Brolly.

I love these bits:

The whole point of a civilised society is to respect difference, not abandon what we are in order to satisfy extremists........I don't suppose there is any point in explaining that the tricolour denotes peace between the orange and the green.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/10/2015 14:15:54    1797492

Yeah, it's a brilliant article.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 09/10/2015 14:31:29    1797502

slayer

Brilliant words from Joe Brolly.

I love these bits:

The whole point of a civilised society is to respect difference, not abandon what we are in order to satisfy extremists........I don't suppose there is any point in explaining that the tricolour denotes peace between the orange and the green.

Well yes but I think many people are too caught up on our differences as well, we're all born the same and we know absolutely nothing about flags, anthems, politics or 'who or what we are', those are all fed into us as children by supposedly responsible adults. Obviously diversity is good though, if we were all the same the world would be a horribly boring place.

I have no issue with our flag either, infact cosmetically I like it and it goes without say that nobody should appease any extremists, but "who we are", who gets to decide "who we are"? surely that's an individual choice.

Ps, also who or what qualifies as an extremist can be very subjective, for example I consider the catholic church as blatantly dangerous extremists but they're very popular worldwide.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/10/2015 14:51:56    1797514

Re: GotMilk

I work with a number of English people and they have said to me on a number of occasions that the major problem in Northern Ireland are Unionist attitudes.

Absolutely spot on. Most English people look at the Orangemen every summer and comment on how ridiculous they are and how their definition of Britishness doesn't relate to the mainland in any way (apart from the Scots of course, but that's for another day).

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 09/10/2015 16:04:07    1797534

Htaem,

You gotta remember, the very things you take for granted living in the south ie the flag, anthem, language and games are despised and ridiculed by the people you want to welcome.

What you and others fail to grasp is that we, in the north, are still living what you would class as your history. The only real change from the GFA is the reduction in death. Devolution has brought a certain degree of equality but as someone else pointed out, it was only because joint authority was mooted as an alternative that unionists agreed to it with the checks and balances it has.

If more than 50% of the DUP are bigoted and sectarian enough to refuse to let a family member marry a catholic why would they embrace anything remotely associated with the GAA. That party is the largest Unionist party as you know so it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out the views of those that vote for them.

Of course there are moderate 'unionists/protestants', I currently work with one who is now involved with a club in Belfast. Not once has he mentioned the flag or national anthem as an issue and given that he was just recently at the all Ireland final it proves this discussion is irrelevant to the people who will embrace our games and culture

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 09/10/2015 16:09:20    1797537

"I work with a number of English people and they have said to me on a number of occasions that the major problem in Northern Ireland are Unionist attitudes."

Well if a number of english people said it then it must be true. i retract all previous comments and bow to our superior english overlords

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 16:15:29    1797538

"DoirecityFC Could you or someone else explain this to me. The DUP (the more hardline unionist party) had 35% of the protestant vote before the peace process, they now have in the region of double that. Why has the mainstream Unionist population hardened its position unless it is an unwillingness to change "

Im guessing the same reason the SDLP has slipped away and the more hardline nationalist party has taken over

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 16:16:17    1797539