"Sorry but the only mind sets that needs to change are the ones who still live in a time 325 years ago.. Guys wake up its 2015 not 1690! I think it might be time to move on"

yup its not even 1970, 1980 or 1990 but people here are so involved in the past and what THEY did to us and its our FLEG so we can fly it when we want because thats the way its always been (it hasnt since the gaa was founded before the tricolour and the first national anthem at a sporting event wasnt until 1905 in wales)

Ive said it before people who wont accept change are no better than those american gun nuts who wont give up their arms because thats the way its always been and always shall be as far as they are concerned

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:24:34    1797331

DoireCity why should we get rid of the flag and anthem to appease
people who hate the GAA and Irishness???

Surely you can see that as a uniquely Irish sport Irish symbols of
identity are synonymous with the GAA???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 10:41:18    1797342

"The flag and anthem are part of our identity.We are not going to
dilute our Irishness for people who hate Irishness.It is as simple
as that."

Replace Irishness with britishness and what do you sound like. no nay never

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:50:45    1797350

You point of view on this is flawed Doire City.Like in
rugby you say we need Irelands Call to appease
Unionists who actually play the game.I do not agree
but I can see your rationale.

With the GAA you want the flag and anthem removed
to appease people who DON'T want to play and support
the game.Surely that's a waste of time???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 10:51:02    1797352

"DoireCity why should we get rid of the flag and anthem to appease
people who hate the GAA and Irishness???

Surely you can see that as a uniquely Irish sport Irish symbols of
identity are synonymous with the GAA???"

It would appease me and i dont hate ireland or the GAA.

The irish language is also synonymous with the GAA but your post all appear to be in english!

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:52:29    1797354

Surely you can see that as a uniquely Irish sport Irish symbols of
identity are synonymous with the GAA???

DoireCityFC has drawn parallels with 'American Gun Nuts' as well as talking sarcastically about the flag & anthem being a 'turning point' or the 'main attraction'.

I think you need to stay on topic DoireCityFC.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/10/2015 10:53:20    1797355

Replace Irishness with britishness and what do you sound like. no nay never

I've no problem with the Union Jack being flown wherever a British sports team is playing. It adds to the colour and atmosphere.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/10/2015 10:56:36    1797359

REDANDBLACK30

MancIrish well said.The games would be so much less without the
flag and anthem.

I disagree completely, the games would not be effected in any way without their presence and again playing the anthem at every single intercounty game dilutes it for me, reserve it for special occasions only so it can add to the occasion.

The flag and anthem are part of our identity.We are not going to
dilute our Irishness for people who hate Irishness.It is as simple
as that.

I don't mind the flag but I really think our anthem (which again was initially wrote in English for all you patriots out there) is poor, we deserve better and we're capable of better. As for the flag and anthem being apart of our identity, nothing personal but I'm sorry to say I disagree again, I find that quite a subjective matter, some see it as part of who we are, others (like me) don't.

Finally again, our anthem and flag are both less than 200 years old, the land we stand on is hundreds of millions of years old and it's in a Universe that's almost 14 billion years old, that's who we are and that's the sort of stuff that interests me, it's not for everybody though, I understand that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/10/2015 10:58:01    1797361

"Irish symbols of identity are synonymous with the GAA???"

GAA founded in 1884 so really we should be flying the gold harp.

As regards to the anthem the lyrics were not written until 1907 and not adopted until 1926 so if we want to keep the basis and ideas of the founders we should fly the harp and sing nothing at all

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:05:17    1797366

"Finally again, our anthem and flag are both less than 200 years old"

try just over 100 years

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:06:21    1797369

"I don't mind the flag but I really think our anthem (which again was initially wrote in English for all you patriots out there)"

100% i love asking people if they even know the words

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:07:04    1797370

Last time i checked the DUP didnt represent 100% of unionists. I must have missed the fact that the alliance and UUP didnt get a single vote and I must also have missed the story where the unionist population had 100% turnout in the most recent election. Fair play to them that must have taken some skill to organise

Do i need to highlight Tom Elliots comments in relation to attending a gaa game or a gay pride march? So you are back down to the Alliance party now. What percentage of the vote did they receive in the last assembly elections?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/10/2015 11:09:11    1797372

The flag and anthem before games might mean nothing to
you Htaem which is fair enough but for a lot of people they
do????

It just wouldn't be the same.Like at the opening Ulster
Championship match you have the band, parade of the
field and national anthem-all part of the pre match
routine.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 11:09:20    1797373

I'm sorry DoireCityFC but the games are what they are and they are accepted around the world as Irish and no-one anywhere else in the WORLD who plays them or indeed watches them now thanks to Sky questions the flag or an anthem being played in a game…

Sorry but if you don't accept that when the rest of the world does I'd question you or anyone else who has an issue with it….

If a protestant kid in Manchester doesn't have an issue with it do you not think 1 in Belfast or Derry should have a similar mind set because they don't….

#TimeToMoveOn

Sadly some of the Protestants in Ulster live in a time warp, hopefully in time and with new generations things will change but it is here where the changes are required its not difficult mate..

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 09/10/2015 11:09:53    1797375

O and thanks REDANDBLACK its not a hard one really is it…;)

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 09/10/2015 11:11:46    1797376

Amhran na bhfiann was sung during the Easter Rising when brave
souls gave up their lives to try to free Ireland from an imperial
aggressor.So it is wrong to say it has no historical relevance.

Without those people and those that gave their lives in the
War of Independence 26 of Ireland's 32 counties would not
have freedom today.There are a lot of revisionists who try to
skew that fact.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 11:15:48    1797383

Ive said it before people who wont accept change are no better than those american gun nuts who wont give up their arms because thats the way its always been and always shall be as far as they are concerned

This is your opinion it has no basis in fact. You are making assumptions about Monaghan and Donegal people that you know nothing about. The people in the ROI voted (95%) to change articles 2 and 3 of our constitute to appease Unionist concerns regarding it's claim to a 32 county Ireland. Could you outline what changes you would have us make bearing in mind that the GAA is an All Ireland (and beyond) organisation

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 09/10/2015 11:19:18    1797386

"Amhran na bhfiann was sung during the Easter Rising when brave
souls gave up their lives to try to free Ireland from an imperial
aggressor.So it is wrong to say it has no historical relevance.

Without those people and those that gave their lives in the
War of Independence 26 of Ireland's 32 counties would not
have freedom today.There are a lot of revisionists who try to
skew that fact. "

That has nothing to do with the GAA. Where they fighting with hurls?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:28:55    1797391

BTW Doire how are both sides as bad as each other in this instance? The Shinners supported the motion for the NI football team?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/10/2015 11:29:53    1797392

"Sorry but if you don't accept that when the rest of the world does I'd question you or anyone else who has an issue with it…."

so you think we should all just have the same opinions as the majority. good thinking there. Pick up a copy of 1984 on your way home it will show what this opinion can lead to.

Accept what the rest of the world does ha ha ha. Thats not for me.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 11:31:18    1797394