Ormondbannerman
If they don't want to bring politicts in by not playing the Irish national Anthem before the game , then what are England doing by playing gstq.
The Irish rugby team don't represent all , well not me as they don't play the Irish national anthem before games. All other countries do maybe except Wales or Scotland.
As regards the Ulster flag , both traditions have one --Unionists with a red hand on a white background and ourselves with a red hand on a yellow background, the proper Ulster flag, the one we use at all Ulster championship games and the same when an Ulster team go to. CP
So if in case we do get a lot of Uniosts playing Gaelic Football which Ulster flag would they want to use ? Would we have to give in and March behind the one with the white background. ?

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 05/10/2015 21:58:47    1796208

05/10/2015 21:58:47
SamOnErrigal
Ormondbannerman If they don't want to bring politicts in by not playing the Irish national Anthem before the game , then what are England doing by playing gstq.
The Irish rugby team don't represent all , well not me as they don't play the Irish national anthem before games. All other countries do maybe except Wales or Scotland.
As regards the Ulster flag , both traditions have one --Unionists with a red hand on a white background and ourselves with a red hand on a yellow background, the proper Ulster flag, the one we use at all Ulster championship games and the same when an Ulster team go to. CP
So if in case we do get a lot of Uniosts playing Gaelic Football which Ulster flag would they want to use ? Would we have to give in and March behind the one with the white background. ? Im talking about the IRFU not bringing politics into it. Nothing about RFU.
Irish rugby team represents all. Doesn't need amhran na bhfiann to do that. It represents the entire island.
Why do you care if amhran na bhfiann is not played? It has no relevance on the match that follows the songs.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/10/2015 10:07:00    1796233

"There is growing evidence that people around the West of Ireland are descended from the North West coast of Spain, particularly from Galicia. The Scandanavians settled in the East around Waterford, Wexford and Dublin which are Viking settlements and they intermarried with the Anglo Normans around the Pale. Going back further historians and anthropologists believe the first settlers in Ireland came in through the River Bann near what is now Coleraine in Co. Derry and navigated down through the rivers and lakes of the island. Whatever the facts NO ONE on this island can claim sole ownership of the name Irish. "

Ive made that point a few times. Some seem to think we descended from lepracons and the tri colour was waiting for us above the pre assembled GPO

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 14:30:46    1796795

"Would it even work?
Would removing the tricolour and anthem lead to a surge in young protestants playing gaelic games? "

Only one way to find out!

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 14:31:48    1796796

"Just watched the anthem on rwc and the crowd and players belted out Ireland call. Maybe a good compromise, "

ive been to three ireland wc games now (not including 2011) and it gets a great reception every time

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 14:33:03    1796798

"I agree with arock. Ireland's call is a load of excrement, sung to keep the northern player(s) happy. The only country at REC with no flag, no anthem. It's a joke."

Id happily play the venga boys and fly a rainbow flag. If we won who would care?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 14:33:51    1796799

"The New Zealand 1905 touring team performed a haka before each match, leading Welsh Rugby Union administrator Tom Williams to suggest that Wales player Teddy Morgan lead the crowd in singing the Welsh National Anthem, Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, as a response. After Morgan began singing, the crowd joined in: the first time a national anthem was sung at the start of a sporting event"

There we go. thats how important and vital a national anthem is! complete balls

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 15:27:10    1796826

For those of you who say both sides are as bad as each other.

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/there-was-trouble-in-stormont-today-over-northern-ireland-and-republic-of-irelands-euro-2016-qualifiers/43230

Honestly??? The worst bit about this is that they are getting paid to argue over something as petty as this. Would the DUP be elected in any other country in the world?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 08/10/2015 15:13:08    1797146

Gotmilk. U agree. But we also have a sin fein td saying people should collect the grant for water conservation and not pay the water. That's fraud been orchestrated by a legislature.
One as bad as the other. Is there any country un the world who would elect either dup or shinners? Pathetic both of them.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/10/2015 17:28:58    1797208

RD what has water got to do with the DUPs actions here? The DUPs actions today prove everything that Joe Brolly said in his article about unionists never been happy with what the gaa does for them.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 08/10/2015 19:26:44    1797244

After today's carry on in Stormont can anybody see many Uniosts wanting to join a GAA club Not a hope in hell. What I do feel for is the small minority of Protestant people who would like to join a GAA club. They would probably be afraid to be seen supporting a GAA club In the late 80's early90's we had a few Protestants who went to clones with us on Ulster final day I suppose they went for the crack and a few pints but they still went to the game. So I would say that there are a few, indee maybe quite a few who would like to participate in the GAA but I suppose it's hard for them as a good few more would not want them to get involved with the GAA
But what I would say here is that few Catholics/republicans/ nationalists would turn away any Protestant/ unionist who wanted to become a member of the GAA Indeed I would encourage them myself every to join but we keep our flag / National Anthem
As regards saying one is as bad as the other, let me tell you something -- I worked with a Protestant/ unionist from Fermanagh here in London around 15 years ago and what he admitted to me was ---- whatever bit of sense / leadership was shown in the six counties it was shown by the Nationalists. The Unionists in his eyes made massive cockups at Gavaghy road, at Harryville and at the school they tried to block the young kids going to school. Even some of the ordinary British people here can't understand the antics of the Uniionists at times
Here in London at present there are people who have been members of clubs for years handing in their membership over the decision of the London county board to admit the Irish guards.
We want to be careful how we handle things in the GAA over the next few years. We must keep a united front and what has happened here is only driving a wedge between people. Do we want to split the GAA??

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/10/2015 21:13:22    1797276

95% (approx) of Nationalists voted for the GFA in the North. The Unionist vote was split 50% for and 50% against (approx, based on exit poles). The Unionists (DUP led) then tried to demand re-negotiating the terms of the agreement on the basis that there was no clear Unionist majority for it, until the British and Irish governments (Bertie and Tony to be fair to them) threatened to impose joint rule over the north (couldn't imagine the current pair doing likewise), they weren't long pulling their horns in then. The moral of the story is that you should never give in to or appease a spoiled brat/bully. We have our culture and they have theirs.
I can't believe some of the northern gaels still wanting to give, give, give. We have given enough

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 08/10/2015 21:22:16    1797277

To the Monaghan poster well said Indeed I would not deny the unionists their culture, they are entitled to their believes but as they had the upper hand in the Six counties since partition some of them still think they should rule and to hell with nationalists.
Now I remember the start of the trouble very well , I remember getting the Ulsterbus in Strabane and me heading for Belfast to get the boat to Heysham and all the shops being boarded up in Strabane. I remember the day well --14 -8-1969 me heading to Hayshem and the British army coming over to the Six counties and landing there on 15-8-1969.
Now I blame the two governments , especially the London one who did not give in to the demands of the Nationalists--- ONE MAN ONE VOTE.
DO MANY OF YOU RECALL THAT SLOGAN
If the Nationalists had to have got that demand we might not have seen all the slaughter and all the division that we saw and indeed the division is still wider than ever
IMO that's where the British government made a massive blunder.
And you are right about spoilt brats Monaghan poster, and I'd say posters like Royal Dunn don't understand that or don't realise what went on

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/10/2015 21:45:27    1797283

Just imagine how boring it would have been for both Northern Ireland and the Republic in last night's soccer without flags or anthems.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/10/2015 08:36:42    1797294

This thread has a longer life than the Mayo men of 51…;)

I've already added my view but just to look at this from a slightly different perspective. Gaelic Games are played all over BRITIAN without any questions about the tri-colour flying at grounds or the Irish National anthem being played. Kids, men and ladies from all races & creeds don't question why they are there they just accept it as part of an IRISH game..

No one rams anything down anyone's throats it is an all inclusive sport where multi cultural communities are invited and they do get involved. Our games are fine as they are they are already all inclusive trust me it works here in Manchester, London or Birmingham etc. It's the mentality of the people in the North who feel threatened by the games that need to take a long look at themselves… If they can't accept the games for what they are why would you really want such narrow minded bigots involved???

Sorry but the only mind sets that needs to change are the ones who still live in a time 325 years ago.. Guys wake up its 2015 not 1690! I think it might be time to move on……

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 09/10/2015 10:11:29    1797320

"For those of you who say both sides are as bad as each other.

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/there-was-trouble-in-stormont-today-over-northern-ireland-and-republic-of-irelands-euro-2016-qualifiers/43230

Honestly??? The worst bit about this is that they are getting paid to argue over something as petty as this. Would the DUP be elected in any other country in the world?"

Both sides in this story where as bad as each other.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:15:46    1797321

"After today's carry on in Stormont can anybody see many Uniosts wanting to join a GAA club Not a hope in hell."


Last time i checked the DUP didnt represent 100% of unionists. I must have missed the fact that the alliance and UUP didnt get a single vote and I must also have missed the story where the unionist population had 100% turnout in the most recent election. Fair play to them that must have taken some skill to organise

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:18:18    1797324

"And you are right about spoilt brats Monaghan poster, and I'd say posters like Royal Dunn don't understand that or don't realise what went on"

The same could be said about donegal and monaghan posters in my view being from Derry

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:19:50    1797326

"Just imagine how boring it would have been for both Northern Ireland and the Republic in last night's soccer without flags or anthems."

Yeah in 20 or 30 years when im recalling the heoric win in a bar somewhere in the world i will make a point to say the main attraction and even the turning point was a few flags and the dublin choir.........heros them all

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/10/2015 10:21:04    1797327

MancIrish well said.The games would be so much less without the
flag and anthem.

The flag and anthem are part of our identity.We are not going to
dilute our Irishness for people who hate Irishness.It is as simple
as that.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 09/10/2015 10:24:24    1797330