This thread has gotten completely out of hand. There has been numerous messages not posted today as they have no relevance to the topic put forward. Anything off topic from now on simply will not be posted. And if the thread continues to go the way it is going it will be locked.

The topic is 'Burns calls for removal of tricolour and anthem' please stick to this.

Admin.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 01/10/2015 15:16:17    1794781

Admin im simply highlighting the fact that somehow I and others are deemed insecure for disagreeing with Jarlath Burns and using what I would class as a similar current example.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 01/10/2015 15:21:29    1794782

Ulsterman
Master, what are you talking about? Gaels in the North were attacked and intimidated solely because they were involved with the GAA.

A nasty reality. Those people were wrong to do that. So why should the gaa sink to the same level? Surely that would be wrong too? One doesn't justify the other.

I would ask Ulsterman, have you any issue with reasonable people who happen to be unionist, playing hurling?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/10/2015 16:03:48    1794803

MissDownFanatic

Don't you be worrying about all Ireland seats any time soon! Down more than anyone should be trying to entice half your population, you might find a manager who supports your county

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 01/10/2015 16:11:33    1794811

"Any wonder our Island is in the state it is today"

Yeah average wages at an all-time high, low unemployment, not has many moving overseas, national teams doing well, no famine, no more war, the sun is even out today, gdp of around 20k.

Maybe its different in Antrim, ill do a whip around at my club for a canned food collection straight away. Ill get up a start up page, send in the UN peacekeepers and see if we can even clear those clouds for you :)


The horror the horror!!!!

Ha Ha, and this from the man who on the other thread admitted he doesn't watch the news. As I said on that thread - there is opinion, then there is informed opinion....if you think that all is well then I suggest you not only start keeping up with current affairs but you phone the BBC and ask them for back copies of their news broadcasts going back, oh, say, 10 years or so. Come back to me when you have caught up.. :-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 01/10/2015 16:16:46    1794817

royaldunne

Ye again I'm the same as you and probably a lot of people, I go to a football match to see the football match, it's pretty straight forward really. As for those bloody wooden planks down in Navan that guarantee you a wet arse, I've nearly considered rioting just to make the Meath CB do something about them, it's hard to feel patriotic when you're listening to a crackly, gramophone version of amhran na bhfiann on a cold crisp January night with a wet hole!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/10/2015 16:47:20    1794835

Burns is right to call for this and if it happened and more got involved in the association surely that's a good thing???
01/10/2015 10:20:28 rcarragh
Can't understand the antipathy of some people to their own country, as if it's something to be ashamed off. As if they are not part of it or above it, I'd be embarrassed for them if I gave them a second's thought. For those who are only interested on the "game", whatever thatmeans - maybe it's time you joined a new organisation, if you don't understand an organisation why would you join it? I'll think you'll find though that many organisation have hidden agendas, unlike the GAA's open one.
The fact is that no matter what Burns proposed some people here would have supported it. If you give yourself and your culture away what have you left? For those who decry what they consider outdated "nationalism" take a look around the world as it is today. If you don't stand up for yourself then you get ploughed into the ground, surely that's the most basic lesson that a game of football or hurling teaches you. As for unionists, they never give anything to any one, why should the GAA reach out to them? Who is ashamed of their country? Who is proposing the removal of anything or the lessening of any ones culture?
01/10/2015 12:58:59 REDANDBLACK30
Sadly the Unionists are a lost cause.Hundreds of thousands of them attend Orange marches on the Twelfth to "celebrate" colonial battles in Ireland and elsewhere.It is an unpalatable truth but there is nothing redeemable about this form of "culture" and their hatred of Ireland.Like what kind of a people want to tramp through areas where they are not welcome just to annoy people.Go to an Orange field where
you are out of sight and out of mind. The problem I find with them is not personal.Some of them seem ordinary but I genuinely find this "culture" distasteful. The Union flag is a flag of shame given the amount of people killed under around the World and yet these people festoon towns with them. And yet some would remove a solitary tricolour flown in a respectful manner to appease these types of people who burn it on bonfires.The mind boggles.... RedAndBlack you have the complete wrong end of the stick. You assume one side are worse than the other. That is incorrect. Each is as bad as the other. Union flag isn't a flag of shame at all

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/10/2015 17:27:26    1794860

MissDownFanatic has the right idea,well said.

The point is this the GAA is an Irish sport.I go to see the match
but the anthem is an essential part of match day for me.
It is one of the few times that Northern Nationalists feel
free from a horrible partition imposed on us against our
will.We are beset with flags of a foreign nation,UVF flags
on lamp posts and countless symbols of Unionism.

The national anthem fills me with a sense of pride.It is not
offending Unionists as they are not there as they dont
want to be.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 01/10/2015 17:45:54    1794867

Ormond one side is very definitely worse than the other.

Let the Unionists get their own house in order before they
lecture anyone else.Their track record is awful.

We are not going to be told what to do by them
anymore.The flag and anthem remain

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 01/10/2015 18:10:48    1794880

redhanddefender,,,,, don't think forum has anything to do with Down , it's about Jarleth Burns statement, so wind your neck in !!!! As for Miss Down saying about all Ireland tickets , from reading her post she seems tuned it and would say she is a supporter of Gaa no matter who is in the final

topdownfan (Down) - Posts: 555 - 01/10/2015 18:15:56    1794882

topdownfan
County: Down
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1794882
redhanddefender,,,,, don't think forum has anything to do with Down , it's about Jarleth Burns statement, so wind your neck in !!!! As for Miss Down saying about all Ireland tickets , from reading her post she seems tuned it and would say she is a supporter of Gaa no matter who is in the final
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She most certainly is and her post is by far the best one yet and resonates with me on all levels, well done MDF, some sanity brought to the debate at last.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 01/10/2015 18:56:36    1794896

That is a very good post by MissDownFanatic.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 01/10/2015 19:12:31    1794905

REDANDBLACK30
MissDownFanatic has the right idea,well said.
The point is this the GAA is an Irish sport.I go to see the match but the anthem is an essential part of match day for me. It is one of the few times that Northern Nationalists feel free from a horrible partition imposed on us against our will.We are beset with flags of a foreign nation,UVF flags on lamp posts and countless symbols of Unionism.
The national anthem fills me with a sense of pride.It is not offending Unionists as they are not there as they don'twant to be.
Ormond one side is very definitely worse than the other. Let the Unionists get their own house in order before they lecture anyone else.Their track record is awful.
We are not going to be told what to do by them anymore.The flag and anthem remain REDANDBLACK30 stop. please stop. Anthems are not necessary for sporting games maybe finals and national teams playing but not any/every game. Both sides are as bad as the other. That's why everything has been as bad as it has in certain areas

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/10/2015 20:06:35    1794921

Typical brendtheredhand...Takes a good down woman to bring sense to the table ;) takes a lot to get me annoyed but this really got my goat up. Glad to see so many people in agreement over this issue.

MissDownFanatic (Down) - Posts: 411 - 01/10/2015 20:08:57    1794922

Ormond it is fine the way it is.If it isnt broke why fix it???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 01/10/2015 20:10:34    1794923

Idiotic ideas like removing the tri colour and National Anthem shouldn't even be given air, it's a stupid idea and will never happen, people were placed in mental homes for saying things that weren't as stupid at that idea. Let Burns (a good Scottish name) worry about Armagh football and we will worry about our flag. We already have a stupid pub song for the rugby team and not a chance of that crape being played at GAA games. I remember years ago at a league game the home team didn't have the correct version of our National Anthem, it was in English, lets just say after it was played the people that were responsible for playing it got eaten alive by angry supporters and good enough for them, I and plenty of others were insulted by that version. HANDS OFF OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AND OUR TRI COLOUR, it's ours and how dare anybody insult the Irish people, our heritage, our history, our country, our flag

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 01/10/2015 20:17:04    1794926

Jarleth Burns should never have opened his mouth. He has made a big mistake.
What I want to say to people on here from outside the Six Counties---- read what the Six County posters have to say ( at least the majority of them anyway) think about THEIR situation over the last 45 years or so, even since partition, think , as most of them point out what the National Anthem means to them, what the Tricolour means to them. Think of what they went through, loved ones murdered( some by state forces) sons , brothers, daughters and sisters jailed. But I'm sure that the GAA was a source of comfort to them through those dark times. As I said before I felt so proud going into grounds in the Six Counties and listening to the National Anthem being played That must continue and at every ground throughout Ireland.
As I said before the National Anthem is played here in England (GB) at the end of dances and in pubs when the music is over. That has been happening since I came here and long before that.
We know how and why and what the GAA was founded for and we should stick by the ideas/aims the association was founded for.
We have no need to appease anyone , we don't have to change anything and anyone joining should know or have an idea the type of organisation the GAA
Protestants, Muslims , hindu's etc can join but we ( IRISH PEOPLE) don't have to change anything so as to accomatate them. Or we won't and the GAA will still survive.
It's also sad to see people on here attacking the Irish language ( shame on ye) as I was at home last Xmas and watched a TG4 program from London, talking to a young Donegal lady who was giving lessons in Camden Irish centre to people wanting to learn the Irish language. There even were people from Russia and Japan wanting to learn Irish.
It's so sad to see the way Ireland is gone and I think of the fine people who left, most with nothing and how hard they worked in this country , sent money back at regular intervals, yet now we have people back there who would sell our country down the river and indeed probably have

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 01/10/2015 20:17:42    1794927

You can't beat the old days and the old ways can you Sam?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 01/10/2015 20:41:19    1794941

YOUR DEAD RIGHT NEVERRIGHT

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 01/10/2015 21:05:18    1794953

Load of nonsense if you ask me. The only people that you would be appeasing would be the extreme unionists (the majority of them I'm afraid) IE. the ones that hate anything catholic/Gaa and would never dream of going nest door near a GAA club. To remove both would be another feather in their cap. Most of the moderate protestants don't give a sh*t about the anthem flags etc.
Look at my own County for example (always good to back up statements with examples). Probably the most republican county in the Association, we fly the tri-colour, sing the anthem AND have an extremely republican County song (Patriot game) and still most or every club have young lads from the "other" community playing away without any problem whatsoever. If people sincerely want to mix then the flag and anthem should not be a problem, but as our northern gaels are trying to tell you THEY DON'T

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 01/10/2015 21:56:31    1794965