Mayo have 2 problems and it's not their defence ... that can be shored up a good defence coach
biggest issues for me are
1. Need at least 1 more top free scoring forward in addition to the two o conners they have no colm mcfadden .. Bernard brogan or James o Donohoe type player real match winners that Dublin kerry and done gal have had all in for the years they have won sam

2. Probably even more important is the lack of depth on their bench a lot is being made of Lee keegan kick into Clutton hands that would've put them 5 up
.. tired bodies and mind made the mistakes s and mayo had no one really to come in off the bench to finish the game off whilst Dublin emptied theirs in the last 15 minutes

I agree that the joint managers they currently have maybe are not up to it but there should very been better means of sorting it than what's happened and irrespective of who manages them next year they need to find more players and crucially at least 1 more top forward !

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 02/10/2015 09:48:53    1795007

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/mayo-crisis-deepens-meeting-breaks-6557805

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 02/10/2015 09:49:56    1795008

I have said what Rossy15 said for a while now,its what Mayo are missing..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 02/10/2015 10:15:03    1795027

TheMatter
County: Mayo
Posts: 14085

Maybe you need to get over this rather sad assumption you have conjured that Aidan O'Shea has taken over the mayo squad and made everyone go on strike. That is what your stance boils down to here. I couldn't care less if you don't like the guy, but call this situation straight at least.

I haven't mentioned any players except Lee Keegan who is reported as supporting the current Managers. In any dressing room where there are issues there will be gripes articulated. It is a big step from this though to a vote of no confidence. My view is that someone with a big chip on his shoulder had to lead the way to something as dramatic as a vote of no confidence and publicise it. Unfortunately now both camps appear to have become entrenched in their positions.

So what happens if Horan decides not to come back and a. n. other is appointed. If the players don't like his methods will there be another vote after the league campaign? In my opinion it's a slippery slope.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 02/10/2015 10:21:41    1795031

Great idea

Bring back Horan

The Mayo players can empower themselves again and have a big input




That worked.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 02/10/2015 10:24:00    1795032

Can't see Horan back. Think it'll be Stephen Rochford.

Any wonder the Dubs are taking such a keen interest in this? If Mayo descend in to chaos there's nothing but an ageing Kerry between them and retaining Sam!

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 02/10/2015 11:38:38    1795082

Strange, I posted about some well known bias in the local media on this topic (where many of the national media appear to be taking their info from), and it didn't get through. Thought it would be quite relevant to the topic?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/10/2015 11:42:03    1795083

I cannot actually believe some people on here.

It's like this : if the players don't want a manager then they are 100% correct in pointing that out .

Fair play to the Mayo players for doing this and respecting their own worth .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 02/10/2015 12:12:08    1795108

The master, 'the term foot on someones throat' is a metaphor and is obviously lost in you. I thought if Keegans shot had of went over Mayo had 'Dublin in a corner', creating more doubts. You strike me as a person who hasn't played much football as you do not seem to understand the term momentum.

I do not think Mayo were out on their feet, I think Dublin had all momentum. The week before the shoe was on the other foot, Mayo had the momentum. I don't think fitness levels or as you put it 'being out on their feet' were the problem with 10 minutes to go. It was momentum as I talk about, when Mayo had there's they sacraficed it by missing an easy score.

Elvisahaha (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 02/10/2015 12:13:35    1795110

Apologies here, I think my posts aren't really relevant to the thread, I need to be looking at a post from about 6 weeks ago, what I am talking about isn't really to do with the current Mayo management.

Elvisahaha (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 02/10/2015 12:24:15    1795120

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 14092

1795083
Strange, I posted about some well known bias in the local media on this topic (where many of the national media appear to be taking their info from), and it didn't get through. Thought it would be quite relevant to the topic?

I have seen a lot of stuff from Mayo related twitter accounts suggesting that one particular local publication or journalist has an agenda. It's hard to ascertain what that is though so I'd be interested in what your take is. The mods have to be careful however.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 02/10/2015 12:52:20    1795138

H & C have showing too much loyalty to this Mayo group. Instead of clearing the decks they went with same group that failed before. Where has the minor team of 2013 gone bar Diarmuid O'Connor? They even kept the trainer Donal Buckley. I wonder if he had left the set up would there have been friction in the camp??

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 02/10/2015 13:26:28    1795167

The journo had a few sensationalist claims about the management of a previous regime, but they were proved to be, not only completely inaccurate but 100% not researched in any way. It blew up in their face a bit. The management in question called it out in another interview, it uncovered the type of gutter-press tactics that were being enlisted, which I suppose reflected badly on those involved in the outlet, albeit all their own doing, and ever since there has been a definite slant on articles involving the group from that source. If you read their articles on this incident for example, you will see that they are pushing hard on the negative for the team, while the management is covered in a completely positive light, that despite the 80% no confidence statistic. Crazy when you think about it.

There is also a lot of claims being made, that aren't backed up by a single quote or genuine bit of evidence. There are efforts to portray and even engineer a spilt in the players, via naming and implicating various individuals, again without any concrete proof - all a bit nasty to be honest about it, not to mention unwarranted and misleading.

I actually think the national press have gotten wise to them in the last few days. They covered the lee keegan thing, despite it being very suspect, but then when 3 more guys were magically named, again with non-existent evidence and all as supporters of the management of course, no national outlet picked it up.

Id say to people who are genuinely wondering about this story, to take the 'big scoops' of the last few days with a large pinch of salt.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/10/2015 14:15:04    1795193

HughHunt24
County: Cork
Where has the minor team of 2013

Well D'Connor and Stephen Coen to a lesser extent have made the panel. Its only TWO years ago. Many of the players are injured actually and some drift away as is normal with a minor team. A good few should be on the u-21 team in 206 so watch out for them with a familiar face on the sideline possible.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 02/10/2015 15:20:45    1795226

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains

Some sense spoken on Second Captains on the issue.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 02/10/2015 15:40:02    1795235

Decent debate alright Yewtree. Still doesn't get away from the fact that this team has fallen short 4 years in row, with more or less the same players Yet they feel they can tell the management what is required for success.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 02/10/2015 18:23:21    1795275

Well it's done lads http://www.mayogaa.com/news/366628/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team Noel & Pat have resigned!

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 02/10/2015 21:03:39    1795320

Well

Thats what you call player power

This was swift and clinical

Now.. time for a new manager..

Lets hope he gets a word in.. pretty clear who wears the pants the Mayo

Wonder who will pick the team next year? Themselves...
:)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 02/10/2015 21:45:46    1795337

I don't think that's fair jimbo...

I think the players just want a professional set up where they have what they need to perform.

This is all driven by money in my opinion. Mayo see the backroom team and resources at Jim Gavin's disposal and put the squeeze on their management and county board to put that in place for them when they can barely afford it. In turn Sligo, Leitrim etc absolutely can't afford it so get left in Mayo's dust. It's an arms race with only one winner...

Now whether having AIG bucks at your disposal and your entire panel living in a 30 mile radius really makes any difference is highly debatable. This argument never occurs in hurling, certainly nobody has come to the conclusion that Kilkenny's success is down to finance. I would suggest that with the bigger population we probably have more available resources in Tipperary.

However I think it creates the mindset it among players. Mayo see what Dublin have and decide they need that to be successful (and that's going to cost Mayo/Donegal/Kerry a lot more extra when you factor in expenses). In turn players in weaker counties see what Mayo/Kerry/Donegal have put in place and start to believe they are fighting a losing battle on uneven ground and grow disillusioned.

In short... It's time we split Dublin.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/10/2015 11:35:58    1795395

(I'm joking)

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/10/2015 11:36:25    1795397