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>> Ban
>> County: Westmeath
>> Maybe this current squad are not willing to accept that they themselves are not good enough to win an All-Ireland?

>> Why would they accept that? If that is their view that they can't win an All Ireland then they should not be there. They are a very driven bunch.

Driven has a limit yew_tree. Believing that you will win an All-Ireland is what these guys are missing.

There's too many nearly men on the current team. Like Gilroy did a few years back with the Dub - they need to un-earth the type of guys who will get them over the line.

I've no doubt its possible!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/09/2015 16:46:13    1794363

Fair enough Flack,

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/09/2015 16:50:17    1794365

Can people stopping putting it as a given that had Lee Keegan scored a point to put Mayo 5 up against us they would have won.
Chances are this Dublin team still would off went for it, Mayo would of went defensive and we would have had similar outcome.

On the management issue, player power is dangerous , where does it stop . When the big name players get the man they want, what does that mean . They get the guy they like, they get the guy that doesn't upset them.
80% is reported voted against Management, how many felt they had to vote against management.
Also Possibly a good few subs who didn't get their game ?.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/09/2015 17:00:08    1794372

Couldn't agree with u more Ath Cliath, so when Keegan missed rhey were still 4 points ahead. Keenan's miss had nothing to do with Dublin scoring 3-3. Personally I think they missed their chance in the first game level 5 mins left Dublin on the rack. Looked to me Mayo we're delighted to be level and didn't show the killer instinct.

theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 334 - 30/09/2015 18:26:25    1794402

Keegans miss against Dublin if he had scored they would have won
i dont think so had they been 7 up they still would not have won
we Dublin awoke up they just blew them away Mayo havent changed
its all woudda coulda thats been their mantra for years nothing new

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 30/09/2015 20:58:43    1794456

I heard here in London a week ago that Mayo players were not happy with the current management.
Also that they wanted James Horan back and if not ----THEN GET JIM MC GUINNESS
Now with JmcG job with Celtic I doubt if he will leave.
But I will say this -- I'd love to see J mcG in charge of Mayo.
I am not saying he would an All Ireland but do people on here not think he would fix Mayo's defensive system, which has been their undoing over the last number of years.
I don't think you will see him going to Mayo but if it happened it would be one of the most interesting appointments in the history of the GAA.
But Mayo must act fast as this team won't be around for much longer

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 30/09/2015 21:49:14    1794488

Codology lads. It's simple: does the next manager answer to the short term needs of the current squad or the long term needs of Mayo GAA.

The answer's obvious, this team has had its chance, they were good enough to win the AI but didn't. They had Horan and didn't win. They've had the new management and lost . This act shows this current squad are no longer capable of being managed; its every bodies fault but their own.

Same nonsense was pulled by the Galway squad against Salmon. I had no time for this shite then, I have no time for it now.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 01/10/2015 09:17:20    1794512

I agree, the whole keegan point/miss thing is nonsense. Reality is cluxton would have kicked the ball out in the same way, probably to the same person, such is the speed at which he gets the ball back. What cost mayo is that our goal came a bit too early. 10 minutes later and we could start closing out the game - doing exactly what Dublin did.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/10/2015 09:37:40    1794521

Have to say I'd worry for Mayo now. It just doesn't sit right that players get themselves involved in mutiny, There's a proper way to approach these things and as far as I can see this has been done all wrong. The new manager whoever that is must now insure he does not discommode any of the top players as they have all the power, yet these same players have failed time and time again and up to now have not shown themselves capable of changing that. Roscommon with their new management team and successful u21 players are coming as are Galway who have been steadily progressing with some hugely talented players , all in all I think Mayo are in for some tough times.

cuchulainn1 (Louth) - Posts: 246 - 01/10/2015 09:44:05    1794525

I think you can't deny the importance of Keegans missed effort. Mayo had their foot on Dublins throat but couldn't hold it there. All momentum was with Mayo and to say there would have been the same scenario and outcome from the next kick out regardless of whether Mayo were completely on top of whether they were showing signs of letting up is nonsense.
Admittedly Keegans miss didn't lose Mayo the game but it was a factor.

Elvisahaha (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 01/10/2015 10:02:03    1794537

Elvisahaha
County: Mayo
Posts: 23


All misses are a factor

The longer that game went on.. the more Dublin would have scored

In the end - Mayo were out on their feet, disjointed, and a bit clueless and to be honest - leaderless.

You lead for a short time over the two games... Mayo being a very good team should be causing Dublin and Kerry trouble

I mean yes... Keegan missed a chance - but there's nothing new in key Mayo players missing key chances

I mean Dublin had a nailed on goal in the 1st half... all Philly had to do was look left

Chances are missed in games...

Mayo no doubt caused Dublin trouble but much more so in the first game IMO

Dublin certainly got a left hook in the 2nd game.. but all that slap did was wake them up to go onto land the real game winning punches.

If it was a fight.. it probably would have been stopped.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/10/2015 10:20:31    1794550

Elvisahaha
I think you can't deny the importance of Keegans missed effort. Mayo had their foot on Dublins throat but couldn't hold it there. All momentum was with Mayo and to say there would have been the same scenario and outcome from the next kick out regardless of whether Mayo were completely on top of whether they were showing signs of letting up is nonsense.
Admittedly Keegans miss didn't lose Mayo the game but it was a factor.

'Foot on Dublin's throat' what does that even mean like? How does that manifest itself on a football field exactly? It is complete waffle.
The bottom line is one more point wouldn't have made a whole lot of difference, since once Dublin rattled off that goal, albeit a fortunate one, with our middle-third sitting on the bench, they had the platform to keep coming. One extra point wouldn't have made a bit of difference because they went for another goal anyway.
The reality is the next kickout went short, same as most of the others. Mayo were letting this happen, so the kickout would have been identical. I don't believe any mayo player tried any less when that ball didn't go over, so really and truly this point is far removed from reality.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/10/2015 11:08:26    1794574

jimbodub
County: Dublin
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In the end - Mayo were out on their feet, disjointed, and a bit clueless and to be honest - leaderless.

They weren't leaderless when they were organising their voting slips but that's a bit easier when it's behind the backs of the Managers.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 01/10/2015 11:43:55    1794605

So players aren't allowed to have meetings now opa?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/10/2015 12:02:26    1794622

Absolutely but again you're attempting to deflect when you're not in agreement with the posting.

There had to be a 'leader' in the meeting who suggested a vote of no confidence. Why couldn't this leader suggest that the players listed their issues, document these and arrange a meeting with the County Board and Management Team? Perhaps some are getting used to the limelight and couldn't handle disappearing into the shadows when their on-field performances were not good enough.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 01/10/2015 12:38:27    1794654

The last 5 winners of Sam had exceptional managers. Galvin, McGuinness and Fitzmaurice, if the Holmes/Connelly are not up to the same standard, you can't blame the players

jimmy_c (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 01/10/2015 13:39:35    1794714

opa01
County: Cavan
Posts: 366

1794654
Absolutely but again you're attempting to deflect when you're not in agreement with the posting.

There had to be a 'leader' in the meeting who suggested a vote of no confidence. Why couldn't this leader suggest that the players listed their issues, document these and arrange a meeting with the County Board and Management Team? Perhaps some are getting used to the limelight and couldn't handle disappearing into the shadows when their on-field performances were not good enough.

The players may not have handled it perfectly but I wouldn't cast aspersions on them either.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 01/10/2015 14:55:27    1794766

opa01
Absolutely but again you're attempting to deflect when you're not in agreement with the posting

There had to be a 'leader' in the meeting who suggested a vote of no confidence. Why couldn't this leader suggest that the players listed their issues, document these and arrange a meeting with the County Board and Management Team? Perhaps some are getting used to the limelight and couldn't handle disappearing into the shadows when their on-field performances were not good enough.

Deflecting what? You seem to think that players having a discussion about the year they have just played is something cowardly. Im simply pointing out that is rubbish. Every squad do it, most are encouraged to do it.

As for a leader? You seem very sure on how this meeting played out. Maybe this 'leader' did suggest just as you said he should, and the response from the squad was that this action wouldn't go far enough. Maybe this 'leader' was led by the group. Maybe 'the leader' has never had any media coverage in his life.
Also, even if someone did suggest it, it went to a secret ballot. So it was a democratic decision. Therefore this 'leader' stuff is nonsense.

Maybe you need to get over this rather sad assumption you have conjured that Aidan O'Shea has taken over the mayo squad and made everyone go on strike. That is what your stance boils down to here. I couldn't care less if you don't like the guy, but call this situation straight at least.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/10/2015 15:55:38    1794798

Testing
I would not agree with you on the current panel of players not being manageable
You think of Donegal around 2006-2010. Won no Ulster title but won a Division one title in 2007.
Now come 2010 and that team were going nowhere fast but once a GOOD MANAGER got hold of that squad HE made them tick. I'd say around ten or eleven of the 2012 All Ireland team played in Crossmaglen in the heavy defeat to Armagh in 2010. And most of them played in the 2007 Div 1 final which they won But they were poor as regards discipline and training and possibly commitment. Yet all it took was some to handle them. Of course the players had to buy in.
Now I think Mayo are in a better place now than Donegal were in 2010. I really think their defence is a big problem and I think they conceded 9 goals in the championship. To have any chance of winning Sam that issue must be addressed. I think if the defensive system is sorted then I think they can score enough to beat any team. IF AND WHEN THEY APPOINT A MANAGER THEY HAVE TO GET A SHREWD ONE , who has probably won Sam before.
What about Joe Kernan. ?

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 01/10/2015 21:21:45    1794956

Think the Mayo opportunity has gone, it won't be arriving back any time soon. Any management team at any level at the end of every season are up for review/discussion - same should apply to the players, they need to take a long hard look at themselves.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 02/10/2015 09:20:00    1794989