opa01
County: Cavan
Posts: 361

1794224 jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 14374
I wonder who the 20% are...

Any senior players contained in that?

Lee Keegan was one.

Malachy Clerkin's article was written from the player's viewpoint - it's clear he was fed the information directly from one of the instigators. No balance with input from the Management Team or the County Board.


20% is a lot.. especially if it contains one or two senior players

Mayo panel is shallow as it was.. without this sort of division

Cheers for the reply opa01

Mes...

That's the best view point on it so far...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 13:47:01    1794229

20% is a lot......except when it's compared to 80%

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 30/09/2015 13:54:43    1794231

Jimbo

That's the best view point on it so far...

Should have added that maybe the players did go to the CB/Management and heard nothing back so felt they were forced to make it public.

We don't know but as it stands it seems to be badly done by the players, however right they are to do it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 30/09/2015 13:58:00    1794234

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 14375

1794204 I wonder who the 20% are...

Any senior players contained in that?

Lee Keegan backed the management it is believed..

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 30/09/2015 14:08:09    1794239

Plenty of know it alls on here. Firstly let me say I was happy with the appointment, McStay was probably favourite but his demands were a little OTT by all accounts. But that doesn't mean that the 2 lads are up to the job. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. What I do know is that they changed the medical team this year echo the lads weren't happy with. Rumours of Donie Buckley leaving probably didn't help either. Bear in mind that these lads had Horan, Cian O Neill, Buckley and the same medical team for the last 4-5 years. They went very close but now a short time on almost everybody from the regime is gone, it may be hard to adjust. Keith Higgins and Cillian O Connor are no primadonnas, they are very quiet lads who work hard and do all the right things, if they told me things are not good, I for one would believe them. We need to hear the full story quickly and need to move on quickly. I don't see how the 2 lads can stay on to be honest.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 30/09/2015 14:09:11    1794240

pdempsey
County: Mayo
Posts: 1161

1794231 20% is a lot......except when it's compared to 80%

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1/5 of an already shallow panel.. and it sounds like there's at least 1 big player in that group - a fairly important one, maybe there's another couple? I mean if Keegan is involved in the vote of confidence, then what's stopping some more vital players having faith with the management team

Dress it up whatever way you like... it's far from a unified decision

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 14:16:27    1794243

The big question is - if the players had held their nerve when 4 points up against Dublin and had gone on to win would we have heard anything about discord in the camp? Would any of the issues now spoken about have been heard? I doubt it.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 30/09/2015 14:23:07    1794255

opa01
County: Cavan
Posts: 362

1794255 The big question is - if the players had held their nerve when 4 points up against Dublin and had gone on to win would we have heard anything about discord in the camp? Would any of the issues now spoken about have been heard? I doubt it.
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True... but it's not like there was 3 minutes to go..

There was still 20 minutes left of the game

It's not that they didn't hold their nerve.. they were blown out of the water in the last 20 minutes by a better team

3-4 to 2 pointed frees in that time

Mayo need a bigger panel to compete with the best - now it looks like 1/5 of that already shallow panel have been isolated including 1 of their best players and perhaps more

Not the best.. but Mayo are their own best enemies

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 14:34:51    1794264

80% vote in favour of a change, management can't ignore that. Trying to say that's evidence of a split in the players camp is rubbish, lets park that.

Many statements on Keegan's failure to land that point in the replay cost Mayo the game. More rubbish. There was 43 minutes on the clock when Keegan missed that, it was 10 minutes later before Dublin exploded into action.

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 30/09/2015 14:56:11    1794283

jimbodub - cant contain you glee? You are a bit too hyper for a story not involving Dublin. You have re-opened an old thread on Horan and even started a thread on Mayo in the Dublin forum. You need to go out an get some fresh air.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 30/09/2015 14:57:59    1794284

Not the best.. but Mayo are their own best enemies

I don't agree Jimbo. As I said earlier I don't like player power or managers being removed. But I think in this case the players feel 80% in favour of a change of management. Even during the Cork hurling strike 4 players were not in favour of Gerald McCarthy being removed. But it is important to listen to the players and as we saw in Limerick, better days can come from listening to what the players say.

I sympathise with the Management team as they have obviously put a big effort into Mayo football over the last 12 months and this must feel like a kick in the guts.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/09/2015 15:09:40    1794294

slayer
County: Limerick
Posts: 5646

1794294 Not the best.. but Mayo are their own best enemies

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I was referring to why the players had to do this in the first place

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 15:13:43    1794300

TIRAWLEYBARON so you think the players are exempt from blame having
conceded 3 14 to Dublin and losing by 7 points thats giving Dublin
a good game i would call that a hammering. If you want to blame management
you could go back to James Horans time Mayo led Kerry by 5 points with 4 minutes
left in last years Ai semi final they failed to close it out in the replay they
had a 7 point lead failed to close it out.In the Ai final against Donegal they
took out their All star full back and put the smallest back they had and got killed
by Murphy i think both management and players are to blame for there near misses right
now the players are trowing the management under the bus when alot of the players should
look in the mirror and ask themselves are they good enough to play at the highest level
half the team are not

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 30/09/2015 15:17:44    1794303

A quick question to those finding fault. If the management were not up to it to the point where 80% of the squad want them out after one year, what were they supposed to do exactly? Let it go?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/09/2015 15:25:16    1794312

Serious amount of waffle & misinformation on this forum. I'm going to leave yee at it.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 30/09/2015 15:27:46    1794314

Mayo were in control against us, after COC scored the goal they definitely looked the better team. But they changed tactics completey and started messing around, looking ti play out the match. If they hadn't, Dublin mightnt have been let back into the match. Afterall, we had already been playing for 120 minutes without doing anything special. I don't know if the call to do that came from the management or the team, but it was a dire decision

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 30/09/2015 15:32:39    1794319

Am I the only one that thinks that is is a good thing for Mayo ?

Who's to say that many of the Donegal guys don't like Gallagher ?
Who's to say the Tyrone boys don't like Mickey ?

I actually say fair play to the Mayo players - they know themselves .

Nonsense from Eugene McGee today .

The Mayo players know more about their training and tactics than we do .

The worst thing can happen Mayo is that the two lads are there next year . Isn't that the way it is now ?

It's like being stuck in a job you don't want . Move somewhere else if needed ,

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 30/09/2015 15:39:22    1794325

The are not the only person therightstuff.

You are just the only person honest enough to say it...

On the basis of what has come out so far, I give them a lot of credit I have to say. I also think it is quite sad that gaa people are trying to knock them in the manner they are on this thread. They know little of the details, and yet, are on overdrive to stick the boot in.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/09/2015 16:00:52    1794341

TheMatter
County: Mayo
Posts: 14051
A quick question to those finding fault. If the management were not up to it to the point where 80% of the squad want them out after one year, what were they supposed to do exactly? Let it go?

Do we know that the Management weren't up to it?

We only know that 27 players voted no confidence. This could be for a variety of reasons from players feeling they were played out of position, players being dropped, lack of success (for whatever reason), facilities, logistics, players refusing to look in the mirror for the reasons for failure, familiarity with the previous regime. Some of these could have been outside the Management Team's control.

We don't know that all 27 players started off being unhappy or were persuaded by a small number of the more senior players (friends, clubmates etc).

What were they supposed to do? They could have acted like players and raised their concerns with the County Board via the players reps (we know that the County Secretary didn't know anything about the vote of confidence until Monday morning when he heard it on the radio) instead of going public. They could then have arranged a private meeting with all three parties to air grievances.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 30/09/2015 16:03:27    1794342

Sure just see what happens

More will be known in the coming days

On refection - I shouldn't have said anything on the subject until then

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 16:26:50    1794353