jimbo

You're being unfair to O'Shea. He didn't go to the media. He was asked a direct question by a reporter and gave an answer and then left it at that. He didn't even mention McMahon's name. There was no whinging. Just a statement of what he believed to be fact.

I believe that Philly McMahon in the heat of the moment jerked his head towards O'Shea. I don't know whether he meant to make contact or how much contact he made.

You believe that O'Shea maliciously pulled McMahon towards him in an attempt to manufacture a headbutt and get McMahon sent off. You believe that O'Shea then sought out a reporter to whinge about McMahon after the match.

If you take off the blue tinted glasses you'll see one of these scenarios is far more likely. Or maybe you're just trying to wind up some of our Mayo friends ;)

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 30/09/2015 11:09:02    1794110

From what was said on the radio yesterday it looks like some of the players who saw themselves as the in-crowd under James Horan started to feel a little less valued under the current management. Egos needed to be stroked which didn't happen. They seem to want Horan back and will accept nobody else. I presume Horan is still in touch with these players.

Complete nonsense.
Has anyone considered that maybe the management are in the wrong to some degree? I mean think about it, if almost 30 of your squad vote against you, clearly there is something wrong with what you are doing. People just want to blame the players, they don't want to hear the facts.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/09/2015 11:09:52    1794111

As Billy Joe Padden mentioned ,it is probably that this group of players feel the window of opportunity is closing for them and they feel this management team is not giving them the best chance before it's too late. Also reckons their position is untenable.
All this will only lead to more pressure on the players and management next year as if new manager is appointed they will then have to achieve under whoever that is.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 30/09/2015 11:12:14    1794113

roundball
County: Tipperary
Posts: 2336

1794110 jimbo

You're being unfair to O'Shea. He didn't go to the media. He was asked a direct question by a reporter and gave an answer and then left it at that. He didn't even mention McMahon's name. There was no whinging. Just a statement of what he believed to be fact.

I believe that Philly McMahon in the heat of the moment jerked his head towards O'Shea. I don't know whether he meant to make contact or how much contact he made.

You believe that O'Shea maliciously pulled McMahon towards him in an attempt to manufacture a headbutt and get McMahon sent off. You believe that O'Shea then sought out a reporter to whinge about McMahon after the match.

If you take off the blue tinted glasses you'll see one of these scenarios is far more likely. Or maybe you're just trying to wind up some of our Mayo friends ;)
____

I'd never do that to any of the above

Now away with you

Sure it's history now...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 11:25:19    1794115

TheMatter
County: Mayo
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Complete nonsense.
Has anyone considered that maybe the management are in the wrong to some degree? I mean think about it, if almost 30 of your squad vote against you, clearly there is something wrong with what you are doing. People just want to blame the players, they don't want to hear the facts.

Good man Matter. Nobody seems to know the facts but you're on here spouting that something is complete nonsense - no wonder you have 14k+ posts. Sure the management should share some of the blame as other management teams have in other counties. Players have made their views known to county boards before but not many have held a vote and then went public with the results. Almost 30 of the squad - do you know something you haven't told us? Maybe if you know the facts you should publish them. All I've heard is that a majority voted against the management team.

Why didn't the player's reps approach the county board with the results of their vote and work out their grievances? These things should be sorted out behind closed doors.

Maybe you need to consider whether some players actually enjoy the limelight.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 30/09/2015 11:28:24    1794117

the vote came out..it was 27 against management 7 for. fairly decisive id imagine

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 30/09/2015 11:39:04    1794125

Haha...

Oh never jimbo!

We agree on one thing anyway- it's history. They're two fantastic players whatever way you look at it.


Anything else coming out of Mayo? Malachy Clerkin shed some light on some of possible the reasons for the no confidence vote in the Irish Times but they were mainly incidents from earlier in the year.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 30/09/2015 11:50:15    1794136

Id say clerkin is very close to the truth there roundball. I don't believe it was simply a reaction to losing to Dublin. The reality is those guys wouldn't be where they are in the sport, if they made knee-jerk reactions like that. I mean they lost big games under horan too didn't they? It is far more likely that this has built over the year and has little to do with losing one game.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/09/2015 12:07:22    1794148

Mayo County Board - Jim a chara, fancy a holiday voucher?
JMcG - I'm on my way

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 30/09/2015 12:24:40    1794167

I heard Vaughan had very little assistance with his injury - didn't even get a call

Had to get treated by a professional rugby club and gain access to their medical team in order to try and get himself is some sort of shape for replay

???

I find this hard to believe.. but it's what I heard

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 12:31:45    1794175

If I took over Mayo tomorrow I would bring them to an AI 1/4 final next year. The current management brought them as close as any Mayo manager has to winning an AI.

Not sure they are looking at the bigger picture, the players could work with the management to see what is needed to improve before having a revolt. Would this not be a better way to go about things? They can easily be lining themselves up for a big fall and the public turn against them.
If someone new comes in is he suppose to pass his views and policies to the players too?

We all have been involved in club football where somewhere along the lines we have played under a manager who we didnt like. But that isno reason not to throw the toys out of the pram.

Just think it is crap the way they are treating former players who gave everything for the jersey when they were playing themselves/

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 30/09/2015 12:36:02    1794176

woops, is it that they don't like them though? I mean if it was 5-6 guys, ok, you could say that. But 80% of the squad? You would have to have cancelled Christmas for that many people to just decide they don't like you. Clearly it is to do with their management of the team, not a personal dislike.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/09/2015 12:43:41    1794181

Maybe this current squad are not willing to accept that they themselves are not good enough to win an All-Ireland?

With time ticking on the playing career's of some of the team they are looking for a magic wand solution!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/09/2015 13:09:15    1794200

I wonder who the 20% are...

Any senior players contained in that?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/09/2015 13:13:19    1794204

Ban
County: Westmeath
Posts: 540

1794200 Maybe this current squad are not willing to accept that they themselves are not good enough to win an All-Ireland?

With time ticking on the playing career's of some of the team they are looking for a magic wand solution!

Nail on head!!!

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 30/09/2015 13:16:52    1794206

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 14373

1794175
I heard Vaughan had very little assistance with his injury - didn't even get a call

Had to get treated by a professional rugby club and gain access to their medical team in order to try and get himself is some sort of shape for replay

???

I find this hard to believe.. but it's what I heard

They changed their Physio as well which I thought was odd given that he was a brother of the team doc and together they run a highly regarded sports medicine clinic.

Apparently Lee Keegan supported the management. http://www.balls.ie/gaa/a-minority-of-mayo-players-did-not-support-the-no-confidence-motion/310701?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Also I've noticed Stephen Rochford's odds are shortening up... Thoughts on that one Mayo posters? I was hoping that Tipp might take a punt on him to replace Creedon.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 30/09/2015 13:17:19    1794207

Ban
County: Westmeath
Maybe this current squad are not willing to accept that they themselves are not good enough to win an All-Ireland?

Why would they accept that? If that is their view that they can't win an All Ireland then they should not be there. They are a very driven bunch.
Standard are supposed to have dropped this year including logistics and even people showing up in dressing rooms that should not have been there.
The standard under Horan slipped and I think there in lies the issues.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 30/09/2015 13:19:20    1794209

What a shame they couldn't keep this in house. I'd still get all 3 parties in a room together to discus the issues the players have. Even if the Noel and Pat don't stay on the County board need to look at what has gone wrong and the management team have a right to respond to the questions asked. To be fair to them it was there 1st year and I am sure they were on a learning curve themselves. Noel in particular was always going to be a difficult 1 for obvious reasons.. I think the Ballintubber contingency may not have been happy after James Horan leaving also last year, I sense a bit of a kick back from that if the stories are correct about some of the players missing/wanting him back..

The bottom line on James is; he maybe being very good at making sure the players are well prepared and ensuring the team was ready for a big day he failed when he had to think on his feet on a match day. Sorry but that is not something you/he can put right for me, It is just a skill you have or you haven't… So to the lads who ach for his return don't because as much as I like James he will not get Mayo Sam McGuire and that has to be the ultimate aim.

Re player power, it is only an issue if they are not a collective and divisions are being created within the group. If they can not work as a group then a clearout can be the only way. Clear the air talks are a must and then some big decisions need to be made. If some are not prepared to work together then they best walk away. It can only be all or nothing you have to buy into the plan of action. I wouldn't question the quality in the squad also the key will be to get them all back on track and pulling in the same direction again. Do that and Mayo can have there day in sun.

Stephen Rochford looks to have all the attributes that James has re planning and making sure every box is ticked re preparation. And crucially he has won an All Ireland.. Granted it was at club level but he has to be the man if a change of guard happens IMO…

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 30/09/2015 13:31:44    1794219

I'd be with the players on this. If it's not right they should go to the County Board/management team with their grievances.

The only criticism I'd have is the public nature of it. Could they have gone to the County Board/management team privately with the result of their vote?

It's bad form to embarrass the the two lads publicly in such a way in my opinion. If they'd kept it private the two lads could have stepped away dignity in tact. Now it's a mess with the two lads publicly hung out to dry by the Mayo players.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 30/09/2015 13:37:36    1794223

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 14374
I wonder who the 20% are...

Any senior players contained in that?

Lee Keegan was one.

Malachy Clerkin's article was written from the player's viewpoint - it's clear he was fed the information directly from one of the instigators. No balance with input from the Management Team or the County Board.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 30/09/2015 13:41:03    1794224