sxckev

You will know infinitely more than I being closer to the situation, but why do you think Horan failed miserably?

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 29/09/2015 14:08:22    1793646

TheMaster
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1793426 We can only guess at present, but if it isn't right then it isn't right. You have to put faith in the group and there are some very experienced people involved in it. The players held their council until after the AI was done and dusted, they have picked the best time to act, they done it in the right manner, let's hope the rest plays out in the same vein and this will be resolved properly

Master, they hardly held their council. Aidan o Shea started the stirring two weeks ago with a tweet about the Mayo county board, it was all over social media , even the Mayo board had to come out and make a statement saying all was good... and no time is the best time for this.. it is shameful i feel so sorry for Pat and Noel who are good mayo football men.. The players should hang their heads!!

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 29/09/2015 14:11:42    1793649

GetOverTheBar
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Well they've made it to two semi-finals on the bounce

It's been a couple of years since they were very close

2012-2013

Since then they've gone back a little and haven't made the final

So they aren't overly close at present... two teams ahead of them and that's been the case since in 2014-2015

Like a good team they pushed Kerry and Dublin close but ultimately the same problems that prevented them winning in the recent past came to the front

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/09/2015 14:11:46    1793650

All very fine to say the players are right and entitled to give their opinion but going forward, no matter how this is now handled, it is likely to have a negative influence on the prospects of the Mayo team, at least for the season ahead. Best case scenario is if the Management take the players majority verdict on board and walk the plank but even then it is likely that a good number of the players support the present management and the squad will be divided. Also the prospect in the future when a few players are unhappy that they will try to wield player power again, not a very attractive proposition for new management. This will also inevitably strain relations between the county board and the present players. The players and putting themselves up on a pedestal here, next time Lee Keegan blows a match winning opportunity in a big game will the Mayo fans be so forgiving? Can't see any winners here.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 29/09/2015 14:19:12    1793655

Belclare1
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1793649 TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1793426 We can only guess at present, but if it isn't right then it isn't right. You have to put faith in the group and there are some very experienced people involved in it. The players held their council until after the AI was done and dusted, they have picked the best time to act, they done it in the right manner, let's hope the rest plays out in the same vein and this will be resolved properly

Master, they hardly held their council. Aidan o Shea started the stirring two weeks ago with a tweet about the Mayo county board, it was all over social media , even the Mayo board had to come out and make a statement saying all was good... and no time is the best time for this.. it is shameful i feel so sorry for Pat and Noel who are good mayo football men.. The players should hang their heads!!

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Sure it's not like AOS to abuse his privilege to try and get his way using various forms of media

(Whinging about phantom head-butt anyone)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/09/2015 14:31:51    1793667

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Totally correct. The management proved themselves to be inept. Failing to press up on Cluxton's kick outs was bizarre (making this mistake once was bad enough was bad enough but repeating it in the replay was unforgiveable). Leaving Aidan O Shea at full forward and starved of ball throughout the 2nd half even though it was the obvious move to make after his brother got the black card and their midfield struggled. Horan would never have made these huge tactical mistakes and they deserve to get the boot for them alone.

In fairness to the management they did move Aidan O'Shea back in the second half. Just didn't work for them.

O'Shea's place is in the forward line.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 29/09/2015 14:32:11    1793670

Never fully understood players voting for no confidence. Surely only so much management can do.....at the end of the day its down to the 15 on the field

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/09/2015 14:38:08    1793673

Lost 2 all irelands we should of won.. especially the one against donegal?
he won a few connaught titles but lets face it ?? how easy was that? sure london got to a connaught final

sxckev (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 29/09/2015 14:46:59    1793681

How can players vote out a management duo that drew with Dublin and were 4 up with 15 to go in replay, how is that the management's fault ? Seems very odd to me.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/09/2015 14:52:53    1793692

Belclare1
Master, they hardly held their council. Aidan o Shea started the stirring two weeks ago with a tweet about the Mayo county board, it was all over social media , even the Mayo board had to come out and make a statement saying all was good... and no time is the best time for this.. it is shameful i feel so sorry for Pat and Noel who are good mayo football men.. The players should hang their heads!!

Sorry but there was no vote of no confidence in the county board, it was the management. The two issues are unrelated. How can there be no best time for it? What is your alternative? To go on forever with managers who, good mayo football men or not, are not good enough in their job? Also, people seem to be assuming Aidan O'Shea is running the whole thing. He could have voted to keep them for all people actually know.


Jimbo, but he was headbutted. Phil McMahon headbutted him. It was highlighted on the sunday game in detail. Did you not watch the game or something?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/09/2015 15:16:27    1793711

jimbodub
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GetOverTheBar
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Well they've made it to two semi-finals on the bounce

It's been a couple of years since they were very close

2012-2013

Since then they've gone back a little and haven't made the final

So they aren't overly close at present... two teams ahead of them and that's been the case since in 2014-2015

Like a good team they pushed Kerry and Dublin close but ultimately the same problems that prevented them winning in the recent past came to the front

They gave the current All Ireland Champions the game of their lives and the toughest test this season, especially that first day. I was at Croker and to see those lads getting Ole'd with 10 minutes to go, to seeing the Dubs leave croker as white as ghosts silently was enough for me.

With all due respect to Kerry I don't think they gave Dublin anywhere near the problems Mayo did and that's why I believe they are so close. It's easy to say Mayo would then have beaten Kerry...I duno, who knows - that wet day, I see Mayo as a much 'tougher' team than Kerry in that sense so that's how I come to my guess (and it is a guess).

In my opinion Mayo are not far away from an All Ireland, they are comfortably in the top 3, they've a decent run until the AI Quarters yearly, and I don't mean that in a rude way to the rest of Connaught - it's just that I rate Mayo's talents that highly.

If those players believe their management isn't good enough - I would tend to believe them, the talent is undoubtedly there, they just need a manager to lead them. Much like JmcG with Donegal only Mayo have a much younger player profile age. They don't look to get a group of lads waiting to hang around another year and see, it looks like they are going for the jugular once more.

As a Dub you'd have to acknowledge, it's extremely tough to retain the All Ireland, to retain the All Ireland as a Dub with all the 'perks' is neigh on impossible and why can Mayo not strike now?

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 29/09/2015 15:20:55    1793717

clondalkindub
How can players vote out a management duo that drew with Dublin and were 4 up with 15 to go in replay, how is that the management's fault ? Seems very odd to me.

Maybe it is nothing to do with the Dublin game? Maybe they are just poor managers? People are quick to jump down their necks, but the fact is guys like andy moran, Dillon, Higgins, Boyle, Vaughan, Cunniffe, Clarke etc are experienced gaa man. There must be something seriously amiss for them to act in this way. Id be of the thinking that you give those guys the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise. The reality is there was a big majority who voted against them. This isn't just a vocal minority.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/09/2015 15:25:20    1793722

TheMaster he was not headbutted. He almost was.

Bit like hes almost won an all ireland.

lowballplease (Galway) - Posts: 935 - 29/09/2015 15:44:34    1793745

Maybe Im mistaken Mes Amis, but I thought they only moved O'Shea to midfield in the replay after the damage was done i.e. after the Dublin goal.At any rate I thought their tactics in both Dublin games were very poor.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 29/09/2015 15:50:23    1793751

Jimbo, but he was headbutted. Phil McMahon headbutted him. It was highlighted on the sunday game in detail. Did you not watch the game or something?

Hahahaha

Yeah.. by McStay

And it was then clearly shown (when properly looked at) that it wasn't a head butt

Clearly shows AOS pulling up Philly by the Collar

It wasn't even deemed necessary to be investigated by the GAA

So no it want a "head butt" - another player pulling up you into his face... is not a head butt

All that was clear from that incident is that AOS was made look very foolish indeed.. (on and off the pitch by Philly :)

Making up rubbish to get another player in trouble after the fact

Where have you been themaster...??

:)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/09/2015 16:02:00    1793758

lowballplease
TheMaster he was not headbutted. He almost was.
Bit like hes almost won an all ireland.

There was a headbutting motion, his head struck O'Shea. That constitutes a headbutt. This was highlighted unanimously by the pundits of the sunday game. Is Ciaran Whelan lying about his own county?
As for the all Ireland jibe. That is the name of the game at the top level. You lose a game and people take notice. Not like losing in the Connacht semi final, where many people didn't even know it was on. What would be really depressing, would be if people were patting us on the head for 'fronting up', despite losing to a team in second gear.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/09/2015 16:08:58    1793763

GetOverTheBar
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1793717 jimbodub
County: Dublin
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GetOverTheBar
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1244

Well they've made it to two semi-finals on the bounce

It's been a couple of years since they were very close

2012-2013

Since then they've gone back a little and haven't made the final

So they aren't overly close at present... two teams ahead of them and that's been the case since in 2014-2015

Like a good team they pushed Kerry and Dublin close but ultimately the same problems that prevented them winning in the recent past came to the front

They gave the current All Ireland Champions the game of their lives and the toughest test this season, especially that first day. I was at Croker and to see those lads getting Ole'd with 10 minutes to go, to seeing the Dubs leave croker as white as ghosts silently was enough for me.

With all due respect to Kerry I don't think they gave Dublin anywhere near the problems Mayo did and that's why I believe they are so close. It's easy to say Mayo would then have beaten Kerry...I duno, who knows - that wet day, I see Mayo as a much 'tougher' team than Kerry in that sense so that's how I come to my guess (and it is a guess).

In my opinion Mayo are not far away from an All Ireland, they are comfortably in the top 3, they've a decent run until the AI Quarters yearly, and I don't mean that in a rude way to the rest of Connaught - it's just that I rate Mayo's talents that highly.

If those players believe their management isn't good enough - I would tend to believe them, the talent is undoubtedly there, they just need a manager to lead them. Much like JmcG with Donegal only Mayo have a much younger player profile age. They don't look to get a group of lads waiting to hang around another year and see, it looks like they are going for the jugular once more.

As a Dub you'd have to acknowledge, it's extremely tough to retain the All Ireland, to retain the All Ireland as a Dub with all the 'perks' is neigh on impossible and why can Mayo not strike now?


They are close no doubt

But they also haven't made a final in two years

That's not overly close

No doubt being a very good team they'll cause the two teams ahead of them problems

But ultimately - even when everything went wrong in the first drawn game for Dublin - Mayo still didn't win

We lost our entire midfield, Cluxton had his worst game ever... all off the back of Dublin not playing for a month and looking rusty

Dublin survived those self inflicted disasters, and then won comfortably enough in the end... the longer that game went on the more Dublin would have scored - Mayo were a wee bit shown up at the end, Dublin winning comfortably

7 points is a big margin to beat a top 3 team by (We only beat Fermanagh by 8)

Mayo will indeed be back... they are a very good team

But with glaring problems that are only getting worse, rather than getting any better

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/09/2015 16:12:19    1793767

clondalkindub
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Horan failed miserably?? Are you joking me? Horan was the best thing to ever happen to Mayo football and if you are a betting man put your house in him coming back cause that's what the players want.

+1

Horan took a team that lost to Sligo and Longford in the 2010 championship to the cusp of an All-Ireland title. Ok, he made a few mistakes in the finals, but IMO he restored a respectability to Mayo football which had been absent for much of the previous decade.

We are a passionate bunch in Mayo and have an admirable loyalty to our team, but Jesus, there's a small section of our support who wouldn't know whether a football was pumped or stuffed! Fellas castigating Horan would definitely fall into that category.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 29/09/2015 16:12:32    1793768

The only lads who made AOS look foolish were connelly and holmes by leaving him isolated and surrounded by several dublin defenders

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 29/09/2015 16:19:05    1793777

Good call by the Mayo footballers, they've come out and spoken their minds in a professional manner and I respect that, some of our players have come out this year and said some bizarrely positive things about our poor management, a bit of honesty is refreshing though.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/09/2015 16:20:39    1793781