The players are right to do it now and not waste another year.

Other than Aidan O'Shea at full forward there wasn't a lot of tactical innovation on display this year and still a few of the old problems remain.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 29/09/2015 11:31:23    1793483

Wasn't the management selection process a bit, shall we say undemocratic?

This could be a reflection of how the CB rolls....could spell trouble.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 29/09/2015 11:33:53    1793486

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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We can only guess at present, but if it isn't right then it isn't right. You have to put faith in the group and there are some very experienced people involved in it. The players held their council until after the AI was done and dusted, they have picked the best time to act, they done it in the right manner, let's hope the rest plays out in the same vein and this will be resolved properly.

Players doing the right thing defo. If they've no confidence in those in charge they are right to act rather than waste a year or two.

Hopefully it resolves itself in a civilised manner.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 29/09/2015 11:41:53    1793498

worple
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Its a shame the players didn't use their power to place the ball in the net more often.


Probably best not to say anything considering your own success or lack of it.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 29/09/2015 11:55:47    1793511

Rochford was knocked back for the U21's in 2012 but has since proved his worth. I believe the Corofin lads say they have never worked with a better manager, a great communicator and excellent at preparing his team. Not proven at County level but ticks a lot of boxes.. The Crossmolina man would be a decent choice IMO.

McGuinness would be great but you can't see him fitting it in with his Celtic and Sky commitments. Wouldn't he have just stayed on at Donegal if he wanted a managers position?

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 29/09/2015 11:59:11    1793516

If you win both the Management and players are heroes , but if you loose as Mayo always loose big games, both players and Management are blamed. So like every debate there is two sides to it, maybe both to blame to some extent.

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 29/09/2015 12:11:11    1793522

Maybe the players should look a bit closer to home about why they have lost so many tight matches under 2 different management teams?

After all they are the only one of the top 4 ranked teams that have not won the big one.

Personal view is they are not good enough and no manager will deliver an all Ireland to Mayo without better quality forwards. Time is slipping away on them and Roscommon are on the rise.

lowballplease (Galway) - Posts: 935 - 29/09/2015 12:16:00    1793529

Mortimer said earlier in the season that O'Shea was no full-forward, I think he's right, wasted in there as seen against good teams.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 29/09/2015 12:27:00    1793539

This isn't North Korea. If the players weren't happy with the set up then they were right and fully entitled to voice their concerns. Too often in this country people go along with things if they're not happy all the while moaning their heads off about it. If something's not right be proactive and do something about it for Jesus sake.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9139 - 29/09/2015 12:31:57    1793546

TheFlaker
County: Mayo
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1793511 worple
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Its a shame the players didn't use their power to place the ball in the net more often.


Probably best not to say anything considering your own success or lack of it.

Ha, have to agree with you there Flaker bit of a misjudged comment from our Roscommon friend, perhaps cue some frantic phone calls and knocking on the door of a certain Mr. McStay before he is ratified by the Rossies?? In all fairness I hope Mayo sort this quick, October is upon us and preperations for 2016 need to start, a delay in preperations caused by sorting out management is not what Mayo need right now

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 29/09/2015 12:59:16    1793579

lilypad
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Mortimer said earlier in the season that O'Shea was no full-forward, I think he's right, wasted in there as seen against good teams.

I'd take anything Mini Mort says with a large heap of salt, as he walked away from the Mayo set-up in rancorous circumstances. O'Shea wasn't helped by a dearth of decent ball over the two games, and also that he was frequently isolated against two or three defenders. Even the best full-forwards would struggle against those odds.

The appointment of our present management duo was shambolic and there have been persistent rumours of disgruntlement throughout the year. I feel sorry for them in that they are honourable individuals doing their best for Mayo football, but no-one knows better than the players whether things are right or not.

The bigger issue is that the county board urgently needs a clear-out. One prominent member who was central to the fiasco last year presented me with the county féile trophy back in 2001, and several others have been around for a similar length of time. Horan had some harsh words for them upon leaving the job, so perhaps it's unlikely that he'll return just yet.

Jim McGuinness is unlikely to leave a pro job at Celtic, especially given that our sponsors are in administration, so there probably aren't huge funds at the next man's disposal. John Maughan is in the running for the U-21 job, perhaps he may also apply for the senior post now? Personally, I think an outsider with some pedigree may do the present panel some good.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 29/09/2015 13:07:57    1793589

Totally correct. The management proved themselves to be inept. Failing to press up on Cluxton's kick outs was bizarre (making this mistake once was bad enough was bad enough but repeating it in the replay was unforgiveable). Leaving Aidan O Shea at full forward and starved of ball throughout the 2nd half even though it was the obvious move to make after his brother got the black card and their midfield struggled. Horan would never have made these huge tactical mistakes and they deserve to get the boot for them alone.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 29/09/2015 13:14:56    1793600

Be great if McStay was available

It would get him off the Sunday game panel

Either way if it's Roscommon or Mayo.. should mean he's away from the spot light and his horrible bias

Did the Sunday game ever retract their stand regarding the supposed head butt that never was...????

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/09/2015 13:20:15    1793606

Well said Lockjaw.
On a related issue (Incompetent County Boards), I see Jim McGuinness making some good points in the Times again today. He's a credit to your county.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 29/09/2015 13:22:37    1793607

A few big egos at play there...

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 29/09/2015 13:26:17    1793615

I'm normally in favour of Managers retaining their roles in these types of problems, but looking from afar, I think Horan going back is the best bet.

Having had a year away from it, stepping back, I think he could take Mayo all the way.

Personally, I think McGuinness for Mayo would be a disaster.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 29/09/2015 13:46:42    1793631

Disappointing for Mayo and a bit of a rough end to a tough year (end). I mean this is a team so close to getting over the line and they all know it but sure you know the media will go to town on them now for this and it's not something that will be away for the rest of next season either as it'll be the cause of every negative.

But the positive in it all is they are not hanging around, it's not even October and they are already thinking of next year. I hope for Mayo they get the next appointment right and you never know what could happen for them. They are so close to getting the breakthrough.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 29/09/2015 13:50:56    1793633

Horan failed miserably I would rather rochford

sxckev (Mayo) - Posts: 211 - 29/09/2015 14:01:58    1793640

A few on all sides Opaoi !
Don't think horAn will go back - Galway and roscommon are stronger than they were when mayo were winning their 4 in a row connaught titles under horan so can't see him risking coming back now
Players need to take a long hard look at themselves in all this part of the reason my stay was treated so badly last year is that some players weren't happy with mchale being involved ...

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 29/09/2015 14:06:10    1793643

Horan failed miserably?? Are you joking me? Horan was the best thing to ever happen to Mayo football and if you are a betting man put your house in him coming back cause that's what the players want.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/09/2015 14:07:15    1793644