Was he just pointing out that he wasn't good under serious pressure not that he was just a bad ball player? And didn't he back his opinion up with several games to illustrate his point.......something a lot of poster on this fail to do

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 28/09/2015 10:10:46    1792914

Interesting article. Disagree with him on Gooch in general but his point on Donaghy is true I think.

Donaghy has arguably been Kerry's most important forward of his generation.

He's a warrior on the pitch and seems like a gentlemen off of it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 28/09/2015 10:12:32    1792916

People still seemingly giving a f*** about what Joe Brolly says, would yous ever get over yourselves!!!!!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 28/09/2015 10:17:09    1792921

Most folk who know their football judge the great forward players on how the perform against the best teams and best defenders. Gooch is a skilful very good player but not in the same bracket as Donaghy. You may quote high average scores- I know lot of guys with high average scores who cannot perform against the best defenders and rely on others to do the spade work. I do not normally agree with Brolly but he is correct on this one-most footballers would agree with his analysis.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 28/09/2015 10:20:48    1792924

All former footballers who write for newspapers or become tv pundits all share one thing in the common, they forget any bad game they ever had as players! Brolly was no leader when the chips were down with Derry and had plenty of stinkers in his day. Armchair critic, is ther an easier job?

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 28/09/2015 10:48:33    1792947

Donaghy is the best FF I have ever seen in the flesh. I saw him against Monaghan in 2008 in a round 4 qualifier. His movement off the ball was brilliant for such a big man. Kerry were going out of the All Ireland last year to Mayo but for Donaghy.
In 2006 he destroyed Francie Bellew. Not to many can say that either.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/09/2015 10:50:54    1792950

I'm reading this thread with a smile on my face. I love the comment from brendtheredhand.

Whether we like it or not, Brolly has a way of making himself be in our thoughts all day for a lot of days (in sporting terms). So he takes a brilliant forward like Gooch and criticises him, then takes a forward who I would really admire, but think is less skilled than Gooch or O'Donoghue for example, then blows him up into a 'star'.

I actually like both Donaghy & Cooper, don't really like Brolly, but he is a master at keeping himself in the public eye.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 28/09/2015 10:52:18    1792951

Armchair critic, is ther an easier job?

Excellent point, often followed up by the critic saying 'I'm working in a different role now, not a player any more' but I think this is where the recently retired players like O'Se & Dolan are excellent.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 28/09/2015 10:55:06    1792955

"Brolly was no leader when the chips were down"

What about his winning goal in the 1998 final in the last min?

He played for a much pooer team than keey and has 4 leagues, 1 AI and 2 all stars and ulsters. top scored in 97 from CF in ulster which is no easy task.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 28/09/2015 11:05:13    1792966

On a side not. I avoid all the news and press when possible but can those who hate brolly explain why you still read his articles and line his pockets? curious one!

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 28/09/2015 11:11:06    1792968

DoireCityFC
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On a side not. I avoid all the news and press when possible but can those who hate brolly explain why you still read his articles and line his pockets? curious one!

Because he is boxoffice!!!
In fairness to him he is highly knowledgeable about the game. It's just getting him to stick to the game

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/09/2015 11:16:14    1792972

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Also when he struggles Kerry struggle and we seen that last week.
Considering he has won more All-Irelands in his career than 7 of the 9 Ulster counties have in the history of gaelic football, id suggest you have paid a fine compliment to the Gooch with that statement. Though the fact Kerry won the All-Ireland last year without him probably means it is another bit of nonsense.

Perhaps Kerry won an All Ireland last year because Colm Cooper wasn't on the field. I never agreed with the notion that Colm Cooper is the greatest player of all time, although I do acknowledge he is very good player with great vision.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 28/09/2015 11:26:25    1792983

"Brolly was no leader when the chips were down"

What about his winning goal in the 1998 final in the last min?


And the 98 semi final when the chips were down against Galway? Brolly probably wouldn't enjoy reading about how he did nothing to save Derry when the game was slipping away from them in a big match in croke park. But he's plenty able to dish out criticism to others who he feels 'go missing' in big games.

Point is, all players have good days and bad days. Harping on about their bad days is small minded. Its an amateur game, nobody goes out to have a bad game, Kerry have lost an all Ireland, Brolly should leave it be but its always ok to stick the boot in because his job is 'to call it like it is' which gives him license to say anything and prove how 'honest' he is.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 28/09/2015 11:47:55    1792994

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
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1792966 "Brolly was no leader when the chips were down"

What about his winning goal in the 1998 final in the last min?

He played for a much pooer team than keey and has 4 leagues, 1 AI and 2 all stars and ulsters. top scored in 97 from CF in ulster which is no easy task.

Particularly when he did nothing in the final

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 28/09/2015 11:54:49    1793000

Seems very spiteful from Joe, the sort of stuff you'd hear una bar, not read in a serious paper. i dont understand why he feels he needs to get it off his chest either, but I think it reads a bit personal and out of order

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 28/09/2015 11:55:48    1793001

He makes some valid points but he cherry picks his examples to support his main point.. Gooch had had many great games for Kerry over the years is one of the greatest to play the game.

Joe talks a great game about sweepers and systems etc. I would love to see him have a go at inter county management. Say what you like about McStays analysis being weak but at least he is willing to put his money where his mouth is.

Sky sports analysis has more ex managers (McGuiness, Canavan Dara O Shea (u-21 only i concede)) and I think thy analysis is more on the ball. I never thought I would be saying that but it shows how much RTE has regressed.

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 28/09/2015 12:28:53    1793026

unclegerry-I would think that Darra's brother on RTE is much muc etter at analysis

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 28/09/2015 13:36:54    1793080

Like most of Brolly's analysis, this piece is selective, personalised and sprinkled with Ulster bias. I can think of several tough games that that Kerry side came through on their way to All-Ireland titles. Just off the top of my head:

2006 v. Armagh in the All-Ireland quarter final.

2007 v. Monaghan in the All-Ireland quarter-final.

2007 v. Dublin in the All-Ireland semi-final.

2009 v Sligo and Antrim in the qualifiers where they scraped through tight games.

2009 v. Cork in the All-Ireland final, the same Cork team that had beaten them in Munster.

I seem to remember they beat Galway in a thriller in the rain one year too- perhaps 2008?

Anyway, all of these games are just as valid in discussing Kerry's willpower or lack thereof as the defeats Brolly listed. Yes, they failed against Tyrone at that time, but that Tyrone team were an exceptional side. Come to think of it, even that Tyrone team suffered some bad defeats against the likes of Mayo, Cork, Laois during that period. Does it mean that they were chokers too? Of course not.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 28/09/2015 15:02:23    1793145

Donaghy should have been carded for the dive he took against Rory O'Carroll towards the end

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 28/09/2015 17:42:27    1793273

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Jesus Joe this is worst than your sindo article