reffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 9866

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Joxer you've possibly been the biggest high-horser on here over the last few weeks. Your hypocrisy in playing the poor me and playing down incidents and the last two days is pretty laughable to be honest.

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Sorry Bref but you can't be taken seriously. Every time you are asked for examples you go into hiding. I have continuously said that if any Dublin player does wrong then he should be punished. Please point out to me where I say otherwise or will you be going into hiding again? The only hypocrisy here is from people who selectively point to certain incidents in a game to suit an agenda yet ignore others. I don't play down incidents. I ask for clear evidence. Certain people on here were claiming that Philly headbutted AOS. Some are still claiming it. Yet there is clear video evidence showing that he didn't. Others were claiming that Connolly was not hit in the Keegan incident yet there is clear video evidence showing him being hauled to the ground by the neck, pinned and receiving a punch to the stomach from a Mayo forward. All I'm asking for is some balance. That's not too much to ask for now is it Bref?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/09/2015 17:09:05    1790894

What happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. People often say that headbutting and spitting are the worst things that a player can do, the lowest of the low. However I think that eye-gouging is THE WORST offence a player can commit, purely due to the high risk factor involved. Anyone who lowers themselves to that level should not be hailed as a hero to kids, regardless of what else they'v done throughout the year. Doesn't matter which team they'r from, who they man-marked, what they scored, or how many medals they'v won.... there is nothing admirable about that sort of carry-on.

pati (Meath) - Posts: 80 - 22/09/2015 17:11:55    1790900

Joxer, you're not really very interested in balance when going to town on Tyrone in recent times. That's what I mean about high-horsing and your subsequent hypocrisy.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 22/09/2015 17:23:03    1790904

Well said pati.

Joxer - where is this 'clear video evidence' that he didn't headbutt O'Shea? I've been looking for it but haven't found it. Cheers

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 22/09/2015 17:32:47    1790912

Philly McMahon is a brilliant defender, anyone claiming he has no football ability is talking nonsense. However, this is a stupid thread with worse timing. A lot of people basically saying he has been good enough this year that they can look past what he did on Sunday and some people like the OP going as far as to salute him. If you cannot see how wrong that is, take a look at yourselves. Absolutely nothing hard about gouging at another man's eye, I'm pretty sure coward is more suitable.

In my opinion, he should be banned, serve his ban and then be given a clean slate to show off his ability rather than the other side of him.

wee_yo (Mayo) - Posts: 63 - 22/09/2015 17:38:07    1790915

benjyyy
County: Donegal
Posts: 1193

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Well said pati.

Joxer - where is this 'clear video evidence' that he didn't headbutt O'Shea? I've been looking for it but haven't found it. Cheers

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You haven't looked very hard Benjyy. Go back to the threads and you'll find a video showing the reverse angle. You'll see AOS pulling Philly into him and no contact. But sure certain people don't want to know about it as it doesn't suit their agenda. Pity AOS had to run to the media and tell tales though when he knew that he wasn't touched.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/09/2015 17:49:06    1790919

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 9867

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Joxer, you're not really very interested in balance when going to town on Tyrone in recent times. That's what I mean about high-horsing and your subsequent hypocrisy.

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Here you go again Bref. Show me those posts where I 'went to town' on Tyrone. In fact I said that under the rules, if McCann was being charged with feigning injury then that's a yellow card. If he was being charged with disrepute then that's a bigger punishment. Where exactly did I go to town or are you just making this up? There was some nonsensical posts from a couple if Donegal posters claiming that he had a hand raised to him etc and I may have gone to town on those posters but I don't remember going to town on Tyrone.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/09/2015 17:54:27    1790922

Joxer, you obviously have a very interesting 'bank of evidence'. Maybe you should leave it where it is, in your dreams, and forget trying to make it seem real. As for McMahon, it is relatively easy to excell if you are not bound by the rules that govern other players.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 22/09/2015 17:56:25    1790924

Joxer I'd be here all day looking for it. If anyone could give me a link that would be great. I've seen a couple of angles but none are clear.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 22/09/2015 17:58:19    1790927

neverright
County: Roscommon
Posts: 64

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Joxer, you obviously have a very interesting 'bank of evidence'. Maybe you should leave it where it is, in your dreams, and forget trying to make it seem real. As for McMahon, it is relatively easy to excell if you are not bound by the rules that govern other players.

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Was there any point to your post or do you intend asking the almighty for those two minutes back?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/09/2015 18:10:59    1790934

Completely agree Pati and I mentioned that on another thread with biting added to that list as well. I don't understand people justifying it by saying other stuff has been happening all year, nothing else came close to this. Contrary to what some think, no one, well, maybe 90% of posters, don't begrudge Dublin's victory as it was thoroughly deserved. That does not excuse what happened.

wee_yo (Mayo) - Posts: 63 - 22/09/2015 18:20:50    1790943

Similar to how the All Blacks loved Jerry Collins or Tyrone loved Ricey or South Africa loved Berger, Dubs feel the same about Philly.
As good a player he is, he dabbles in the dark arts. What he did was wrong, terribly wrong, there is no defense here, he deserves punishment. I would expect nothing less than a lengthy ban. A lot of people got on the band wagon when Paul Galvin stuck his fingers down Cadogan's mouth so in much the same way Dublin posters can't defend this.
However, I don't think it takes anything away from a great performance. Very few defenders are able to say they kept the Gooch scoreless in a game or for that matter that they outscored him. McMahon will definitely get an All Star for a terrific season.

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 22/09/2015 18:22:29    1790944

The adjudication on the head-butt incident should have put that to bed.
If he had wanted to head-butt O'Shea, he clearly could have, so how could you charge him with attempted head-butt.
The gouging and biting however, still stand.

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 22/09/2015 18:27:55    1790950

Pity AOS had to run to the media and tell tales though when he knew that he wasn't touched.

Joxer, are you complaining that O'Shea did claim he was head-butted?

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 22/09/2015 18:34:55    1790953

Dublin posters will naturally defend their man, all counties do it and secretly admire the tough guy who operates on the edge. He had a great final and a great season and was surely a candidate for the best player in each but didn't win the first one and is unlikely to win the second either. Great players from the past who have won those awards did not resort to the tactics that Philly did but relied on skill and bravery.
He should be punished for what he did and he should accept it. He is good enough player without resorting to such tactics. Can any Dublin supporter imagine McCaffrey playing the game that way? Yet he is the player who lit up the season for many of us.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 22/09/2015 18:42:25    1790957

Dublin posters will naturally defend their man, all counties do it and secretly admire the tough guy who operates on the edge. He had a great final and a great season and was surely a candidate for the best player in each but didn't win the first one and is unlikely to win the second either. Great players from the past who have won those awards did not resort to the tactics that Philly did but relied on skill and bravery.
He should be punished for what he did and he should accept it. He is good enough player without resorting to such tactics. Can any Dublin supporter imagine McCaffrey playing the game that way? Yet he is the player who lit up the season for many of us.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 22/09/2015 18:43:12    1790959

Similar to how the All Blacks loved Jerry Collins or Tyrone loved Ricey or South Africa loved Berger, Dubs feel the same about Philly.

I'm not sure Tyrone fans had a particular love for Ricey - not saying he was disliked by any means and we all thought he was a top footballer but he wasn't a cult hero figure either. To some degree all of those players are seen as legends here but at the same time I don't think Tyrone fans blindly defended Ricey either.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 22/09/2015 19:17:12    1790975

McMahon could have been sent off in each of his last three games, so how could anyone suggest he deserves an All-Star award? Surely discipline, or the lack of it, has to be taken into account when deciding on such an award.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 22/09/2015 19:23:08    1790980

Trust me MichaelO, on this website back in 05 during the whole episodes between Tyrone, Armagh and the DRA after the Ulster final replay, Ricey was very much defended and prized as a cult hero for many Tyrone posters. There was also the episode with him grabbing Galvin by the family jewels that got a similar defense as what we're seeing a few Dubs are doing now. Not saying it's wrong, I understand why counties will always defend their own.
I have heard a few Tyrone supporters say that Ricey was none too popular in his own county at club level alright, but sure that probably helped make him the defender he became.

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 22/09/2015 20:01:48    1791009

JackoDub
County: Dublin
Posts: 447

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I can't agree with the sentiment of this thread. He's a terrific player and a leader of men. Eye gouging however is absolutely disgusting unsporting and dangerous. It's a pity some Dublin fans believe in nothing but win at all costs.

Thank God for common sense like this. At least there's one among yis who condemns this unacceptable behaviour. Reading this thread is thoroughly depressing, but also worrying.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 22/09/2015 20:21:47    1791026