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Why do you constantly feel the need to drag Tyrone into the Dublin contervesties Joxer? "Tow the county line", ffs, you really do think we operate like the Chinese Communist party don't you?

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Eh no! Look at the opening post from Ulsterman. He mentions Tyrone and McCann. Look at his second post, he mentions Tyrone again. I'm only responding to the OP.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 08:37:22    1791105

BS Joxer, your first post in the "Philly McMahon Appreciation Thread" - Tyrone. Your first post in the "Will the Sunday Game do it's job?" thread - Tyrone. That took all of 2 minutes to find, I could probably of went on but is there any need? Maybe you don't realise it yourself? Maybe you need help to get over this obsession you have with all things Tyrone?
Maybe you are deliberately trying to deflect attention away from both Dublin and yourself. You were more than willing to lead the attack on Tyrone earlier this summer, set yourself up as the protector of all that was right - the great shinning knight Joxer. Then Dublin had three competitive games to play in late summer, no more teams falling meekly in front of them and we saw the real Dublin, same as anyone, willing to do whatever it takes, all talk of doing things the right way shown up for the waffle it was. But this has left you in somewhat of a quandary:
Backtrack on the crap you spouted during the summer?
Put the hands up and admit Dublin are as bad/same as the rest?
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Try and deflect? Look what Tyrone did! Look what Mayo were doing!
You've chosen the latter.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/09/2015 10:17:49    1791153

Yes Benched. Look at the original post on this thread. It was started by a Tyrone man alleging that a "horrible incident took place with McMahon gouging Donaghy". The only reason why I mention Tyrone in this respect is that there is a certain irony in a Tyrone man pointing out an alleged eye gouge on a Kerry player when one of the most infamous incidences of this was in 2005 when a Tyrone corner back gouged and allegedly bit the Gooch.

Do you not see the relevance of mentioning Tyrone in this instance, especially seeing as though, again, a Tyrone poster kicked off the thread?

So we had one thread started by Ulsterman banging on about Tyrone and Tiernan McCann and another started by a Tyrone man banging on about eye gouging and you are asking ME why I keep mentioning Tyrone. Dear oh dear. I've never professed that Dublin don't have a win at all costs mentality. All champions have this. You don't win 4 cups in one season by not having this. But Dublin are not a "dirty" team. One incident in an AI final does not make for a dirty team. Our backs only gave away one kickable free in the whole game I think.

Look I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you are a relatively new poster it seems.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 11:40:12    1791208

While I generally agree, joxer, what about the semis against mayo where mcmahon was involved in more antics with oshea, and there were numerous black cards that werent dished out (cian osullivan shoulda had about 3).
Tyrone would love to have an antagonist like mcmahon, thered be plenty of competition for starting positions

beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 23/09/2015 12:07:45    1791236

The footage will never be conclusive when there is eye gouging involved. You can only see where the thumb or fingers are in a general sense, then it is up to the referee and officials to make a call. Unfortunately there 'seems' to be eye gouging. But is this enough? Doubly unfortunate is the disciplinary process within the GAA which would put any player or official off going through. There seems to be no avenue of justice for foul play any more, in fact if you call it, you are seen to be full of sour grapes or the like. Not a nice story.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 23/09/2015 12:24:16    1791250

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While I generally agree, joxer, what about the semis against mayo where mcmahon was involved in more antics with oshea, and there were numerous black cards that werent dished out (cian osullivan shoulda had about 3).
Tyrone would love to have an antagonist like mcmahon, thered be plenty of competition for starting positions

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Agree, and would not defend any genuine dirty play at all. Although I think the criticism leveled at Dublin in general was over the top. McMahon did not headbutt AOS. He did go down easily when they ran into each other and I have a real problem with that. People claimed that Cooper's lunge in that first game was the worst incident on the whole game yet nobody commented on O'Connor who did the exact same thing on Cluxton, with elbow also, in the replay. Just calling for a bit of balance that's all.

I actually have some sympathy for Tyrone as they are being pulled up on some incidents that happen commonly and in every game but they have a spotlight on them and so too do Dublin.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 12:25:26    1791253

Which thread was started by Ulsterman? There is none on the first two pages of threads that I can see. The three threads mentioned were started by a Tyrone man, a Dub and a Limerick man. But sure when did you ever lets the facts get in the way?
For the record I have never stated Dublin are a dirty team, plenty of others do however seem to be coming to this conclusion however, based on more than "one incident in an All-Ireland final". By the way how many score able frees given away isn't really much of an indicator if a team is dirty or not, or even cynical or not.
As for the relevance of Tyrone, in this instance, maybe I would give you the benefit of the doubt, only that all summer with you its has been Tyrone this, Tyrone that followed with maybe a Dublin player did do something wrong, it's hard to say, where's the evidence completed with but sure look what Tyrone/Mayo done!
You're quite tiresome and at this stage it appears the chasing of your tail appears to be making you a bit dizzy. Putting a patronising statement about a new poster and giving the benefit of the doubt doesn't hide the fact that I along with a few others are simply calling you out for the hypocrisy you have shown over the past couple of months.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/09/2015 12:34:47    1791261

Joxer look behind the real issue as to why I posted this thread!!!

I think you will find that I did not take issue with McMahon per se in fact I was championing him as MOTM and indeed a candidate for player of the season. Why are we all dancing round the issue if you really want to delve into it then it is clear yes that McMahon was intending to gouge Donaghy, what more evidence do you need than that which has been shown?

I for one, unlike Master Brolly like to see a win at all costs attitude, however, I cannot say that all costs can stretch as far as potentially blinding a fellow gael. The point of my original post was to highlight the selective nature of the Sunday Game, where all they would say is 'his hand was somewhere it should not have been' if this was the analysis of a sexual assault in our society we would never have anyone convicted.

Furthermore, why are you even getting involved in these spats on here in light of your victory, go and enjoy your All Ireland victory as I for one was a jealous man sitting at man desk on Monday morning hangover free as we had nothing to celebrate

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 23/09/2015 13:15:21    1791311

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Which thread was started by Ulsterman? There is none on the first two pages of threads that I can see. The three threads mentioned were started by a Tyrone man, a Dub and a Limerick man. But sure when did you ever lets the facts get in the way?
For the record I have never stated Dublin are a dirty team, plenty of others do however seem to be coming to this conclusion however, based on more than "one incident in an All-Ireland final". By the way how many score able frees given away isn't really much of an indicator if a team is dirty or not, or even cynical or not.
As for the relevance of Tyrone, in this instance, maybe I would give you the benefit of the doubt, only that all summer with you its has been Tyrone this, Tyrone that followed with maybe a Dublin player did do something wrong, it's hard to say, where's the evidence completed with but sure look what Tyrone/Mayo done!
You're quite tiresome and at this stage it appears the chasing of your tail appears to be making you a bit dizzy. Putting a patronising statement about a new poster and giving the benefit of the doubt doesn't hide the fact that I along with a few others are simply calling you out for the hypocrisy you have shown over the past couple of months.

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Dear me that's some chip you have on your shoulder there buddy. This is the kind of paranoia and "everyone is against us" attitude that gives some Tyrone posters a bad name. Maybe try debating the facts instead of throwing around silly statements like "hypocrisy all summer" and so on. Are you building up a hit list of people who are having a go at Tyrone or something? You keep saying that I keep bringing up Tyrone in my posts yet I've pointed you to the posts ahead of mine that mentioned Tyrone and these posters were from Ulster. So I just don't know where you are coming from bud. I'm no hypocrite though. I'll call out any dirty tactics from Dublin players if they are genuine. I've no problem criticising players from my own county. I'm sure you don't either!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 13:44:47    1791347

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Joxer look behind the real issue as to why I posted this thread!!!

I think you will find that I did not take issue with McMahon per se in fact I was championing him as MOTM and indeed a candidate for player of the season. Why are we all dancing round the issue if you really want to delve into it then it is clear yes that McMahon was intending to gouge Donaghy, what more evidence do you need than that which has been shown?

I for one, unlike Master Brolly like to see a win at all costs attitude, however, I cannot say that all costs can stretch as far as potentially blinding a fellow gael. The point of my original post was to highlight the selective nature of the Sunday Game, where all they would say is 'his hand was somewhere it should not have been' if this was the analysis of a sexual assault in our society we would never have anyone convicted.

Furthermore, why are you even getting involved in these spats on here in light of your victory, go and enjoy your All Ireland victory as I for one was a jealous man sitting at man desk on Monday morning hangover free as we had nothing to celebrate

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Don't worry I'm enjoying it. I follow the team everywhere all year so it was a great finish to a long year on Sunday. Yeah, like I keep saying, I agree that if McMahon intended to gouge then he should be punished for it. I never said otherwise, I just thought that the evidence wasn't clear as to whether it was intentional or not. I was also just pointing out that it was ironic that Tyrone posters should be calling this out as I don't remember too many berating Ricer when he did this to Gooch in 2005. I'm sure you can see where I am coming from. Not deflecting just saying it is ironic. Anyway no offence intended just calling it as I see it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 13:50:41    1791352

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I was also just pointing out that it was ironic that Tyrone posters should be calling this out as I don't remember too many berating Ricer when he did this to Gooch in 2005.
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This fallacy has been alluded to several times on this thread, and I'm surprised that the admin has allowed it to be repeated. Ricey did not gouge the Gooch in the 2005 final. There was an alleged incident between Pascal McConnell and Cooper, where McConnell supposedly put his hand out as Gooch ran pan him from behind, making contact with Cooper's face. It was never seen on camera so we'll never really know if/what happened, unlike the McMahon incident.

There are other differences between Ricey and McMahon also. McMahon in the last few years has been involved in (alleged) incidents of biting, headbutting, kicking players on the head while on the ground, feigning injury and now gouging. Though certainly no angel, Ricey was never accused of any of those things while in a Tyrone jersey. McMahon is out of control on the pitch, and deserves no appreciation threads. Still, as he says himself, he isn't too worried so long as he has another Celtic Cross, though I wonder if he'd be as smug this week if Kieran Donaghy was blind in one eye.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 23/09/2015 14:23:58    1791380

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Joxer, Joxer, Joxer, really undermining your stance on previous issues with that comment.

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Sorry Bref boy, maybe it's the banging hangover but I don't follow you there bud. Not so sure it was an intentional eye gouge. If it was then it was a poor effort and Philly should be done for it. What it does highlight, however, is people's selective analysis again. No mention of Donaghy's antics here today, no mention of the Dublin player being flung to the ground by the neck, no mention of the sledging of Cluxton. Just like the Mayo game where not a single Mayo player was held to account for on-field actions, and there were many, yet we had several threads started on Dublin players. I've no problem with Dublin players been criticised and held to account by the media as long as other teams are treated with the same scrutiny, which of course they are not.

I'll try again as apparently the admin has decided you are my "bud"!
Your post above on Monday, and you accuse me of "having a chip on my shoulder" "paranoia and everyone is against us attitude" (are these not one and the same?).

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/09/2015 14:44:18    1791400

So Joxer Ricey definitely gouged Cooper despite there being no footage whatsoever but the McMahon footage is inconclusive. I think you should genuinely back off from this cos you are only adding more and more layers of hypocrisy to yourself. You're still talking about paranoia and irony yet still playing the victim.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 23/09/2015 15:02:10    1791413

A reinterpretation of the rules is necessary- especially the tackle (we'll come back to the consecutive handpass). I always thought that you couldn't be a 3rd player in a tackle, yet numerous times every game we see players surrounded by 4-5 players either tackling with closed fists or just blocking the player from moving to be blown for over carrying. Defenders get away with blue murder. To promote a more attacking game we need a radical rehaul of rules, such as this and 3/4 consecutive handpasses then kick pass. Will congress approve anything? No

beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 23/09/2015 15:17:08    1791420

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So Joxer Ricey definitely gouged Cooper despite there being no footage whatsoever but the McMahon footage is inconclusive. I think you should genuinely back off from this cos you are only adding more and more layers of hypocrisy to yourself. You're still talking about paranoia and irony yet still playing the victim.

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No Bref. Gooch himself claimed that he was gouged (2005 final) and bitten (2003 semi). That's on the record. I used the word intent with regard to McMahon. I honestly can't say whether McMahon intended to stick his fingers into Donaghy's eye. He couldn't even see his eyes but no doubt he should not have had his hands in there. No I don't play the victim Bref. You won't hear me moaning about the southern media, RTE, Brolly or whomever. No victims here. If we do the crime then we will serve the time. I'm sure you understand my hesitation on McMahon given that so many slated him for a headbutt that then turned out to be no headbutt at all.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 17:01:04    1791510

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Joxer, Joxer, Joxer, really undermining your stance on previous issues with that comment.

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Sorry Bref boy, maybe it's the banging hangover but I don't follow you there bud. Not so sure it was an intentional eye gouge. If it was then it was a poor effort and Philly should be done for it. What it does highlight, however, is people's selective analysis again. No mention of Donaghy's antics here today, no mention of the Dublin player being flung to the ground by the neck, no mention of the sledging of Cluxton. Just like the Mayo game where not a single Mayo player was held to account for on-field actions, and there were many, yet we had several threads started on Dublin players. I've no problem with Dublin players been criticised and held to account by the media as long as other teams are treated with the same scrutiny, which of course they are not.

I'll try again as apparently the admin has decided you are my "bud"!
Your post above on Monday, and you accuse me of "having a chip on my shoulder" "paranoia and everyone is against us attitude" (are these not one and the same?).

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I don't get you bud. I'm not paranoid at all but some have been very selective in their criticism following the Mayo and Kerry matches. Like I said to Bref though you won't see us complaining about RTE, the southern media, Joe Brolly, Colm O'Rourke etc. If a Dublin player does the crime he should serve the time. I've absolutely no problem with that. I'm certainly not complaining that "they're all against us" but if you look at the number of threads setup here following the semi-final and final, only one team appears to come in for criticism yet all teams were guilty of misconduct at various stages. Would you not agree?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 17:07:56    1791512

So again, unproven allegations relating to Tyrone are definitely legit, but it's a completely different story when your own team Dublin are involved? And there is absolutely no double-standard or irony in any of this? And you are perfectly entitled to high-horse about this? Is my understanding correct here?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 23/09/2015 17:13:29    1791518

Ok so you aren't being paranoid and nor are you complaining "they're all against us" but you do think people "have been very selective in their criticism" and that other teams aren't treated with the same scrutiny as the Dubs. Wee thanks for clearing that up.
You posted earlier in the year when commenting on Tyrone "If none of this nonsense happens then it won't be talked about", as true now as it was then!

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 23/09/2015 17:55:04    1791544

Joxer, a few genuine questions. Do you think the discussion about McMahon is unwarranted? Is this a simple case of "misconduct" akin to things other people were guilty of this summer? Looking at the video (link was posted on here previously) , does it not look like it was intentional?

wee_yo (Mayo) - Posts: 63 - 23/09/2015 17:58:10    1791545

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Ok so you aren't being paranoid and nor are you complaining "they're all against us" but you do think people "have been very selective in their criticism" and that other teams aren't treated with the same scrutiny as the Dubs. Wee thanks for clearing that up.
You posted earlier in the year when commenting on Tyrone "If none of this nonsense happens then it won't be talked about", as true now as it was then!

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Look up the definition of paranoia benched. Yes some people have been selective in their criticism of Dublin players in the past two games. That's just fact. When you start complaining about comments from every pundit, commentator, newspaper, television broadcaster, refusing to talk to then even. That's paranoia.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/09/2015 18:29:15    1791554