wee_yo
County: Mayo
Posts: 29

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The bit that got me was him saying that he would not have given Johnny Cooper a red card because he did not know him to be a dirty player. Just no. If that is the way a ref thinks he should not be allowed to ref a game, never mind have the authority he does.

OMG. did re really say that. well that is the most outraguous comment I have ever heard from a supposed top referee or an overseer of refs. so he is saying that referees should bear in mind a player's previous behaviour in determining whether a foul is a red or yellow card. unbelievable. the GAA truly is an amateur organisation .. the only people involved in the GAA who act in a professional manner are the players. The administrators and officials are amateurs.. oh the irony.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 01/09/2015 21:45:40    1780305

TSG is there not to promote the GAA but to promote ratings. Ratings sell ads that pay the so-called pundits.

Remember this and then you understand better the wording chosen etc.

Fault is also ours, as in Ireland we love listening to negativity and nearly always believe it to be true

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 02/09/2015 08:33:17    1780332

Pat McEnaney is bizarre - still a swear word over in these parts.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 02/09/2015 08:45:59    1780343

Spot on witnof!!

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 650 - 02/09/2015 08:47:13    1780346

I really do like the Sunday Game and I do like the humour. I genuinely prefer the characters and personalities on the Sunday game rather than the straight talking Sky Team. I think the feeling of sitting down the watch the Sunday Game is just something I have always enjoyed and looked forward to.
I unfortunately am watching it lately and do not think it is impartial anymore, especially on the night time version. The men during the day, work off the cuff to an extent and I can forgive their words and sometimes biased opinions to an extent. They are there live, and dealing with aftermath straight away. But Whelan and the likes have a few hours to deliberate over things and they can think things through, they go on front of the camera and voice their opinion. I think if someones home county is playing, replace them as they can not give an impartial opinion, its impossible.

Elvisahaha (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 02/09/2015 08:59:12    1780354

Ciaran Whelan is a good pundit.

If anything he cuts through a huge amount of the BS from the other pundits.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 02/09/2015 09:02:11    1780356

Ciaran's comments on Dublin were proportionate. His comments on Tyrone were disproportionate and not for the first time. Our complaint, as always, is about consistency. Ciaran's position is indefensible.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 02/09/2015 12:49:36    1780576

Whelan called up newstalk last night and gave a very good interview after they had criticised him the evening before - anyone who gets the chance should listen to it. It seems some people would rather have the Sky approach where Canavan and McGuinness have spent the summer endlessly speaking about kick-out strategies and why teams should put pressure on the opponents kick-out, and avoiding talking about the issues that everyone watching on tv wants discussed.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/09/2015 13:02:47    1780588

slayer
Ciaran Whelan is a good pundit.

He sat there and allowed McStay free reign - there was two teams out there and he deferred to McStay - while I wouldn't want him to be as jaundiced and as selective as McStay - he is probably and rightly embarressed at his performence.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 02/09/2015 14:45:59    1780664

20% or so of the GAAs revenue comes from TV, the lion share from RTE.
GAA referees get paid by the GAA, with about 1/5 of the monies coming from RTE
If RTE pundits are critical, then they have a massive influence over the GAA and its referees.

In terms of advertising and commercial revenues, Dublin is the big dog. Negative comments on Dublin from RTE pundits will harm the image of the GAA and Dublin, and so it is in the interest of the GAA and RTE to avoid 'speaking the truth' about the Dublin antics last weekend. Tyrone, on the other hand, is a minute media market and revenue, so attacking them has no financial consequences.

As always, follow the money

liamoggordon (USA) - Posts: 13 - 02/09/2015 16:11:48    1780758

Yeah Soma, if you like your analysis in the style of a couple of lads arguing in the pub RTE is the guys for you. If on the other hand you would like something slightly more highbrow, with actual tactics discussed (leaving aside triangles and vertical lines) best to tune into Sky

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 02/09/2015 16:25:59    1780777

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
Posts: 944

1779869 If people are influenced by the Sunday game they should take a look at themselfs not the pundits

Too true , the hysteria is laughable at this stage . Fellas falling over themselves to open new threads , on something that's been done to death . Its not just pundits that seek attention .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 02/09/2015 16:30:57    1780781

I read in the Sunday Indo that one of the Sunday game pundits claimed to be "insulted and abused" by fans before, during and after the Kerry v Tyrone semi final. Isnt that what what the SG panel do on a regular basis to amateur players/coaches/teams disguised as analysis.. not that I would condone any form of insult/abuse towards anybody .. sounds ironic though.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 02/09/2015 17:16:18    1780808

I did listen ti Ciaran's interview on Newstalk. He did not accept that he treated Dublin and Tyrone differently. This at best was disingenuous. Would Ciaran offer me the opportunity to assess his performance as he did to Tyrone. No of course he would not.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 02/09/2015 17:49:56    1780833

benched
County: Tyrone
Posts: 146

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Yeah Soma, if you like your analysis in the style of a couple of lads arguing in the pub RTE is the guys for you. If on the other hand you would like something slightly more highbrow, with actual tactics discussed (leaving aside triangles and vertical lines) best to tune into Sky

Imagine people analysing kickouts . Unfortunately some posters live in the stone age. Jim and Peter know their football alright benched.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 02/09/2015 18:09:35    1780842

IsMise
County: Tyrone
Posts: 88

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I did listen ti Ciaran's interview on Newstalk. He did not accept that he treated Dublin and Tyrone differently. This at best was disingenuous. Would Ciaran offer me the opportunity to assess his performance as he did to Tyrone. No of course he would not.

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What to you would constitute a good assessment of Tyrone's performance in that match? I guess you prefer Peter Canavan on Sky where everything is rosey in the Tyrone garden? They are saying what they are seeing in most cases. Whelan does a good job, even if he was a bit OTT on Dublin on Sunday. He has no anti-Tyrone agenda. Why would he? McStay kept stum on Mayo for the most part.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/09/2015 18:43:36    1780853

Joxer
A good assessment of Tyrone would have been the way Ciaran Whelan assessed Dublin's game. Whelan' assessment of Tyrone was disproportionate and he attempted to vilify a whole county. For good measure he attempted to back date the vilification. This is in contrast to his treatment of Dublin. Maybe, if he had actually won some AI medals his reporting on Tyrone would not be so venomous.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 02/09/2015 19:41:09    1780877

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
Posts: 898

1780842 benched
County: Tyrone
Posts: 146

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Yeah Soma, if you like your analysis in the style of a couple of lads arguing in the pub RTE is the guys for you. If on the other hand you would like something slightly more highbrow, with actual tactics discussed (leaving aside triangles and vertical lines) best to tune into Sky

Imagine people analysing kickouts . Unfortunately some posters live in the stone age. Jim and Peter know their football alright benched.

Obviously as they are introducing the game to a new audience on Sky, and even Rachel Wyse and Brian Carney would not have been to a huge amount of championship games in their lives, they tend to keep things very basic on there so I can understand why it would suit some people. If you need Peter Canavan to demonstrate with fancy graphics why a goalkeeper can kick the ball to an unmarked player 15 yards away sometimes, and other times why that man is marked and the ball has to be kicked long, then I imagine it would be really good watching Sky. However most people would be able to understand from watching the game what is happening without waiting for Peter to explain it to them after every game televised. Interestingly Senan Connell said on tv that Sundays game was one of the best he had ever been at, which is totally at odds with what everyone on here has said - I expect such a statement went down well with the powers that be in Croke Park though. If cheerleading is your thing then stick with Sky - if you want issues debated in the same way as they are by GAA people across the country then RTE is the better option.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/09/2015 19:44:10    1780881

Brian McGuigan was on the Sunday game the last day and he seemed to have a pretty clear agenda.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 02/09/2015 20:04:29    1780891

Just replying to earlier posts in relation to the money aspect and Pat Mc's comments on Dessie Dolan, if you have nothing sensible or intelligent to say then keep your opinions to yourself, firstly, referees don't get paid at inter county level, Joe Mc Quillan last Sunday would have received approx 60 euro in travelling expenses and his umpires got a meal, that's it, probably for a 9-10 hour day, secondly, as a very well paid pundit Des Dolan should know the actual rules, actually he should know them as a player but definitely as an analyst.

kawaifive0 (Westmeath) - Posts: 112 - 02/09/2015 20:21:36    1780903