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Three Points
Re The-Rat Fermanagh "A sports organisation like the GAA don't have control of RTE and that's the way it should be!!! " Totally agree. It is the point I have been making all along. No sports organisation should have control of RTE but we all know that is not the case. There was still no mention of the All Ireland Football Semi Final on the RTE sports broadcasts I have heard today. This is a sporting event attracting 82,000. How can the RTE sports reporters ignore it? Yet RTE informed me of the injuries on the Canadian Rugby team plus other news re club rugby players in France. If GAA are not deemed newsworthy now when is it newsworthy?IRFU has no control of anything in RTE. GAA gets most live games every year of the sporting organisations. Rugby gets plenty of coverage in all but games which get the most coverage.
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Re Ormondbannerman: How is it a questionable figure about what rugby brings to the Irish economy? What is questionable about the figure? You remember the infamous Garth Brooks concert in Croke Park. The attendance was to be 400,000 (80,000 x 5) 70,000 of that was from abroad i.e. foreign fans who wanted to attend the inaugural event of his world tour, many of whom were going to make a mini holiday of it. The loss to the Irish Economy was calculated at €50m. So do the maths! someone is telling porkies here. Assuming the G Brooks loss to be correct then a 50,000 rugby crowd at the Aviva 25% of which came in from abroad should generate not €40m but €6.25m.
Finally:
Some have said sure RTE are only reporting what has happened. This is true but they choose what to report. Brawls happen, Sledging happens, refs make mistakes, there are one sided games but that is true of all sports it doesn't only happen in GAA. If you choose to highlight these negatives in one sport you must (if you are even-handed) report them in all sports. This is not happening. I think any reasonable person would deem this unfair. It is also reasonable therefore to ask why is RTE so intent on highlighting the negative in GAA? Who benefits? 70'000 travelling for Garth Brooks concerts doesn't equate to the travelling fans from England for rugby internationals and there is considerable more from England/Wales etc who travel over for the weekends when games are in Dublin but go nowhere near the stadium.
If you have actual evidence of wrongdoing show it to me. Show me a website that shows all this wrongdoing?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/08/2015 19:34:24    1777635

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Horses for courses my good man, some of us prefer our analysis done with a little bit more sophistication and maturity as opposed to the cartoon baddy and pantomime villain stuff we are fed by RTE, just my opinion you'll understand.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 28/08/2015 19:38:01    1777636

BBC,SKY,Newstalk,RTE,if you like GAA & sport,you'll tune into any of them.If Al Jazeera had a highlights show id give that a crack.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/08/2015 19:49:35    1777640

I welcome O'Fearghail's comments, though it's disappointing that he didn't make them a fortnight earlier, when a county under the Association's membership was left hung out to dry. The GPA were also conspicuous by their silence (and still are), while one of their members was made the victim of a witchhunt by the media.

The GAA is suppose to be an inclusive organisation, yet Tyrone gaels have been made feel as though they are outsiders and, frankly, unwelcome of late. This culminated in an amateur player being scapegoated on trumped up charges, and the team getting shafted in an AI semi-final by an over-zealous referee playing to the crowd. So, well done, Aogan, though it's a shame that it went this far before you decided to speak up.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 28/08/2015 20:04:27    1777643

ZZZzzz

Always the victim. The GAA are against us, the GPA are against us, the Southern Based media are against us, the Sunday Game are against us, blah, blah.

One thing is for sure, the only FACT in that saga was that a Tyrone player dived and tried to get another player sent off yet escaped punishment. Everything else, aftermath, was OPINION to which everyone in this great free state of ours is entitled to. You reached the last four with a very limited senior team and won an U21 title, albeit in controversial circumstances. It's been a good year for ye. Move on and stop the victim playing.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/08/2015 09:46:32    1777679

"Personally, I have great time for Tyrone GAA and Mickey Harte, especially the team that beat us three times during the Noughties. The county has shipped some criticism but the fact is some of their teams have faced allegations of unsavoury behaviour already this year.

"I find it wholly 'unpresidential' that Aogán should reference, in the public domain, the next contract talks as part of his critique of the current programme.

"If he has an issue with any particular person or line he should have come out and said it. And anyway there are surely other avenues through which to express these views.

"Maybe it's Disney Channel coverage the president wants, where everything is all sweetness and light. But that's not the game that I'm familiar with." Tomás ó Se

Well said Tomás.

Full article here: http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=243299

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 29/08/2015 12:09:40    1777709

Maybe the president expects RTE, as an outside body who have been sold rights to our games to stop with the constant knocking and negativity of our game. The Sunday Game standards have been slipping for years and is giving a platform for boring pundits (wouldn't call many of them analysts) to either take a swipe at people which appear personal Eamon O'Hara / Kevin Walsh and Donal Og / Frank Murphy without even mentioning the more high profile cases, or the usual suspects falling over themselves to get the most controversial comment out there to get people talking about them, pick any example you want.
As GAA people you would think we would all welcome the president of the Association speaking out for it, however for posters like Joxer, this is just another chance to take a cut out of Tyrone and wish to turn his statement into another Tyrone against the rest issue. The Zzzz's are quite apt Joxer, you've put me to sleep a long time ago.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 29/08/2015 14:15:18    1777739

Maybe the president expects RTE, as an outside body who have been sold rights to our games to stop with the constant knocking and negativity of our game. The Sunday Game standards have been slipping for years and is giving a platform for boring pundits (wouldn't call many of them analysts) to either take a swipe at people which appear personal Eamon O'Hara / Kevin Walsh and Donal Og / Frank Murphy without even mentioning the more high profile cases, or the usual suspects falling over themselves to get the most controversial comment out there to get people talking about them, pick any example you want.
As GAA people you would think we would all welcome the president of the Association speaking out for it, however for posters like Joxer, this is just another chance to take a cut out of Tyrone and wish to turn his statement into another Tyrone against the rest issue. The Zzzz's are quite apt Joxer, you've put me to sleep a long time ago.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 29/08/2015 14:28:36    1777742

I dont think the Sunday Game is negative all the time.They regularly give praise where it is due.They are there to highlight the major talking points of the day also,and even though some of them can get a little carried away at times,i think in the main,they do a good job.T McCann deserved the criticism he received.Not the eight week ban,and glad that was rescinded.Personnally ive nothing against Tyrone.I shouted for ye to beat Kerry in all those games in the noughties,but i was glad ye were beaten last week.Tyrones inflamed sense of victimhood is a little over the top.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2015 14:58:43    1777750

I wonder would Mr President criticise sky in the same way as RTE or would he be afraid to upset the Sky deal??

Stato32 (Clare) - Posts: 73 - 29/08/2015 15:19:57    1777760

Well said Thomas Clarke The same happened to Donegal and J MC Guinness in 2011. The media had a field day with some making personal attacks on J MC G
Same last Sunday with Roy Curtis. Gave Tyrone a lot of stick in the Sunday World.
Pat Spillane about Shi;;the football , same in 2003-- puke football
But hey are Kerry not playing it now when it suits them
The President is right and at least I'd like to see the following gone off Rte - c o Roark pat Sspillane E o Hara T o Shea and maybe J B. Plenty more to take their place

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 29/08/2015 15:42:22    1777767

Thats true Sam. And as soon as the new boys give any sort of criticism to an Ulster team you'll want them sacked too.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/08/2015 16:24:07    1777777

By the way thomasClarke, it is only a "witchhunt" when the target is innocent of the crime they are being accused of (hence the term WITCH hunt, you know).
The player in question was absolutely guilty of the crime he was being accused of, so it wasnt a witch hunt by the Sunday game, was it?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/08/2015 18:49:01    1777816

Why So keen joncarter to keep focusing on one incident and unwilling to look at the presidents comments in full? You're getting as tiresome as the president described some of the Sunday Games punditry to be.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 29/08/2015 19:13:49    1777818

IMO O'Se summed it all up perfectly and honestly.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 29/08/2015 20:32:21    1777833

joncarter
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By the way thomasClarke, it is only a "witchhunt" when the target is innocent of the crime they are being accused of (hence the term WITCH hunt, you know).
The player in question was absolutely guilty of the crime he was being accused of, so it wasnt a witch hunt by the Sunday game, was it?
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Really? Then how come his ban was thrown out? (To spell it out to you, again, he was accused of bringing the game into disrepute, but was found not to have done so.)

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 29/08/2015 20:34:27    1777834

benched
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Why So keen joncarter to keep focusing on one incident and unwilling to look at the presidents comments in full? You're getting as tiresome as the president described some of the Sunday Games punditry to be.
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Jon's distaste for Tyrone is longstanding, yet he posts more often on the Tyrone board here than I do. Whatever it is, Jon, it's time to let it go.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 29/08/2015 20:37:42    1777835

joncarter
County: Galway
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By the way thomasClarke, it is only a "witchhunt" when the target is innocent of the crime they are being accused of (hence the term WITCH hunt, you know).
The player in question was absolutely guilty of the crime he was being accused of, so it wasnt a witch hunt by the Sunday game, was it?

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Well said. The victim card has been played and it's tiresome now. Time for a bit of self reflection I think and less of the Ulster wagon circling.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/08/2015 20:39:20    1777836

Less of your self pitying whingeing Thomas Clarke. Tiernan McCann was cleared to play by The GAA . The criticism of Tyrone this year was fully merited.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/08/2015 21:01:55    1777843

ThomasClarke, you spoke of a witch hunt by the media,not the GAA. I pointed out that he was guilty of the crime the media accused him of, i.e. feigning injury, and he was.
For the record, I do think he discredited the association, the only reason those charges were thrown out was because there is already a punishment for his specific offence. He still discredited the association though.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/08/2015 21:08:00    1777844