farneyforsam
County: Monaghan
Posts: 30

1776155
I refuse to back down we would be in line for our second all Ireland if it wasn't for cheating.

How in the name of God do you figure that out?

As Ulster champions you have failed to get to the semi-final not once but twice, a unique achievement for provincial champions.

Even if you had managed to get past the Q/F you then had two more games against top opposition to win Sam, so how you figure you were home & hosed is beyond me.

Monaghan have done very well over the past few years, no one knows the truth of that better than us Donegal people. What they don't need is nonsense posts like yours making a laughing stock of them.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 25/08/2015 19:49:38    1776217

25/08/2015 18:58:50
benched
I would like yo think small house that our president is capable of doing a bit of multi-tasking and his sole contribution this week hasn't just been a statement on the SG.
Just wait until the rugby world cup starts, RTE will bombard us with updates on an event they don't even have the rights to, don't think its that unreasonable of mod to wonder why the GAA doesn't get a mention in sports bulletins this week, I've heard plenty of discussion at work this week about Dublin Mayo but no one referencing a warm up rugby match.
If you believe there has been no entertainment from the GAA over the last couple of years may I suggest possibly you're following the wrong sports, this last two Sundays alone have provided 2 excellent games in either code. RTE will show lots of rugby world cup as there is desire for it. Gaelic and hurling get lots of coverage. what do you want RTE to be showing of the teams prepping for next weekends football etc. Teams train evenings when news is on. They will hardly cut to cameras live at training sessions.
Rugby training sessions etc are covered now as RTE have staff who can video, then edit a minute or a few minutes coverage etc.
25/08/2015 19:04:42 mod
Yes I am criticising RTE but with good reason. The game on Sunday is a sell out. That in itself is worth reporting don't you think? We regularly hear that internationals in another code bring €40m to the Irish economy. (a questionable figure) It is also an indicator of what is of greatest interest to the Irish sports fan at the moment. Surely any reasonable person would find ignoring an 82,000 sports event staggering? As for the match being on Sunday, your argument doesn't stand up, the rugby world cup is weeks away yet we are constantly informed of progress in that regard. As for your other contention that there is nothing of interest happening, that beggars both belief and the resourcefulness of the RTE journalists. If an sending off incident at a club hurling match can make the sports headlines for a number of days running I'm sure there is plenty of material (e.g. injuries, form, previous meetings)there to report on, especially when it is a match that has obviously grabbed the publics attention. do you contact RTE much with your criticisms?
How is it a questionable figure about what rugby brings to the irish economy? What is questionable about the figure?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/08/2015 19:55:21    1776218

O'Rourke's comment about 'bad smell' - was an awful comment to make...

THIS is not an anti- Sunday game or RTE but there is a massive difference between Hurling panel and the football panel..

Imagine the All-Ireland Hurling Final with a scoreline of 0-3 to 0-1 ( impossible but imagine) the hurling panel would praise the workrate the defensive qualities etc.....

now imagine O'Rourke and what his negative comments

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 25/08/2015 20:09:23    1776229

Oh dear Muckross. I think Farney threw out a hook and you have bitten .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/08/2015 20:46:54    1776247

MuckRosshead dont show your bitterness of our superior ability guile and success. Ask any monaghan man woman or child. They will inform you that were the new force destined to supplant the dubs and kerry as kingpins of gaa football. Call me crazy no I'm just stating fact.

farneyforsam (Monaghan) - Posts: 35 - 25/08/2015 20:56:54    1776253

farneyforsam. please pass me on the name of what your on? it seems powerful stuff and in these hard economic times I could be doing with some of it. As for the RTE panel on the sunday game. I have said it on a seperate thread here before, Kevin Mc Stay,is my man. A class above the rest. Go like BBC and bring in two guests for each match. One former footballer from each county. liven the thing up. more interesting to watch, more varied views and if its recently retired footballing stars then all the better. its a plain and simple solution. people will want to see them hear them talk, and hear their views on team plans etc.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 25/08/2015 21:26:36    1776277

Whether you like him or not, Joe Brolly has made the Sunday Game a success for RTE because he tells as it is and that's what many of the southerners in particular don't like. A sports organisation like the GAA don't have control of RTE and that's the way it should be!!!

The_Rat (Fermanagh) - Posts: 50 - 25/08/2015 21:59:26    1776293

farneyforsam
County: Monaghan
Posts: 34

Ask any monaghan man woman or child. They will inform you that were the new force destined to supplant the dubs and kerry as kingpins of gaa football. Call me crazy no I'm just stating fact.

Too many Monaghan mushrooms for breakfast I fear.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/08/2015 08:02:14    1776295

@find_the_space

I wasnt agreeing with farneyforsam hence the use of question marks!

As for the subject matter there are two elements. He is the president of the GAA and as such its his job to defend the organsiation. Its just unfortunate that the people he needs to defend it against are the ones who should be promoting the game or at least providing a bit of balance. There was zero analysis of the actual game last Sunday from either O Rourke or Brolly with the only one providing analysis, Ciaran Whelan being shouted down. Its amazing how many people actually believe someone saying it as they see it is a form of analysis, its not, not even close, being controversial for the sake of it isnt analysis.

But on the flip side the GAA have little credit to complain about RTE when they in turn allow the tail to wag the dog when it comes to playing rules and the changes made from the said same RTE outcries. The GAA reaction to the introduction of the flawed black card and the Mc Cann incidents being cases in point.

By all means defend the organisation but first off pro actively run that organisation as it should be.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 26/08/2015 09:30:06    1776320

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National - GAA President slams The Sunday Game



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25/08/2015 13:20:15
tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 376

1775876 By the viewing figures that sky are getting it is doubtful if they will renew their contract unless they get the rights to all the games
25/08/2015 13:25:08
gotmilk
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 2381

1775880 I'm sorry but I can't see the difference in Skys analysis and that of TV3 a few years ago. Their MOTM verdicts too. It makes you wonder if they were watching the games.

Anyway I think RTE just need to freshen up the day time pundits. When Brolly talks about football he is good, when he goes off on one it can be hard to watch. If i hadn't seen footage of Spillane playing football I would genuinely question if he had ever played the game. The RTE punditry is good because they are willing to give their own opinions. They have a bit more freedom and I do not think that should be stopped. Everything on Sky is very PC.
25/08/2015 13:57:24
SmallHouse
County: Meath
Posts: 185

1775910 I was quite surprised to read AO'F's comments to be honest. The football championship this year has, in the main, been awful. Are the pundits to ignore all the negative stuff and pretend everything is rosey? I think they will generally make a point of highlighting the positives where they can, but if they didn't highlight some of the negative stuff that has gone on then they wouldn't be doing their job. Maybe the president should focus on ways to improve the game and the championships before having a cut at pundits who, in the main, are commenting fairly on what they've just witnessed.

Some of them (Brolly mainly I suppose) maybe go too far at times, but I would say that the GAA have far more pressing issues to attend to than what pundits say on a Sunday afternoon or Sunday night.
25/08/2015 14:19:29
Condorman
County: Dublin
Posts: 347

1775935 I rarely agree with the SG pundits especially Brolly but hey they are entitled to their opinions are they not? The president shouldn't bother getting involved in a spat with TV talking heads.
25/08/2015 14:19:56
farneyforsam
County: Monaghan
Posts: 26

1775937 Exactly. Bar us and kerry no other team has played clean football. Cake brolly o rourke etc are only telling it as it is.
25/08/2015 15:16:37
tearintom
County: Wexford
Posts: 165

1775991 @farneyforsam

You havent made an All Ireland semi final since 1988 but have been denied 2 All Irelands you deserved by cheating in recent years???
25/08/2015 16:06:42
roundball
County: Tipperary
Posts: 2284

1776039 bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 922

1775869
Sounds like Aogán is preparing the ground to give more leeway to Sky. Which would be a disaster for our games. I don't trust this guy.

Strange thing to say there roundball, feel free to elaborate

I don't trust him to protect the principle of having the majority of our games free-to-air. What else would I mean? This is a big issue. There was a lot of football people in Donegal and Mayo that didn't get to watch the QF this year. That's not good for the game.

Fair enough and you are completely correct but a decision like that will go to congress, he will not unilaterally make that decision


Sorry for that last post lads, it took up nearly a page!!!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 26/08/2015 10:58:00    1776379

I live in London and as such I now do not have access to the latter stages of the all-ireland championships on RTE (via premier sports).
Instead I have to watch SKY (whether this is via a monthly subscription or vis a pay per view pass on NOW.TV).

as such I do not see the live Sunday game analysts such as Brolly and O'Rourke.

Now before I say anything let me state that I am and was totally against the SKY deal.
Having said that It is a joy to watch the likes of Peter Canavan and Jim McGuinness discuss the game that they are watching.

I am sick to the teeth of Brolly with his theatrics, bad manners, weather-vane opinions, Spillane and O'Rourke are tedious also.
I do have access to the Sunday game at night via GAAGO. (why don't the GAA simply make GAAGO available to everyone in all countries for all games. no need for SKY. (you can't watch any games that are broadcast on SKY whether exclusively or not via GAAGO).
My point is, I would much rather watch GAA on RTE/Premier/SKYGO than having to fork out for SKY but please please RTE get rid of these ridiculous panelists NOW.

londonblue (Cavan) - Posts: 33 - 26/08/2015 11:56:13    1776417

I have often wondered what the Sky panelists are like, for instance that last 15/10 minutes of the Tyrone/Monaghan match - had they an opinion? Surely they couldn't have ignored what was going on? The reason I ask is I don't have Sky, never will either, but watching it in the local bar they tend to turn down the half-time analysis. To me the Sunday Game just reflected what actually happened, I am sure or hope people are not suggesting that they ignore it or airbrush it away? Or that the GAA vet and approve RTE editorial content?

I mean I have heard awful guff on Sunday game but I still watch it. I just find it really odd that the GAA should Criticise RTE so publicly. Especially when on foot of media ravings the GAA pursue players on foot of the latest social-media/print/TV outrage. Seems to me the GAA want it every way. But there is no such thing as bad publicity, Tyrone bad boys have probably added a few thousand to their gates next year.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 26/08/2015 12:39:32    1776456

I don't think many people watch the sunday game or the matches to listen to Brolly et al, in fact you could have Donald duck on at half time and people will still look at it to see any incidents of note. As for the comments he's entitled to his opinion but fact is he was wrong again and he should have been pulled up on it

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 26/08/2015 12:51:51    1776468

The FOOTBALL panellists seem to be in competition with each other to see who can get the biggest headlines. They are not challenged and act as judge, jury and executioner. They forget or do not care that they are commenting on amateur players, referees and managers and cause immense personal damage. The panellists are paid for their job and unlike the amateurs they should be judged on their words and action. This problem would be eliminated if RTE had a platform for feedback on the SG.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 26/08/2015 13:35:50    1776520

Why is he repeating his comments, once was enough. Skysports is very dull, at least rte get people talking. Though brolly is annoying.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 26/08/2015 13:40:06    1776532

Three Points
Re The-Rat Fermanagh "A sports organisation like the GAA don't have control of RTE and that's the way it should be!!! " Totally agree. It is the point I have been making all along. No sports organisation should have control of RTE but we all know that is not the case. There was still no mention of the All Ireland Football Semi Final on the RTE sports broadcasts I have heard today. This is a sporting event attracting 82,000. How can the RTE sports reporters ignore it? Yet RTE informed me of the injuries on the Canadian Rugby team plus other news re club rugby players in France. If GAA are not deemed newsworthy now when is it newsworthy?
Re Ormondbannerman: How is it a questionable figure about what rugby brings to the Irish economy? What is questionable about the figure? You remember the infamous Garth Brooks concert in Croke Park. The attendance was to be 400,000 (80,000 x 5) 70,000 of that was from abroad i.e. foreign fans who wanted to attend the inaugural event of his world tour, many of whom were going to make a mini holiday of it. The loss to the Irish Economy was calculated at €50m. So do the maths! someone is telling porkies here. Assuming the G Brooks loss to be correct then a 50,000 rugby crowd at the Aviva 25% of which came in from abroad should generate not €40m but €6.25m.
Finally:
Some have said sure RTE are only reporting what has happened. This is true but they choose what to report. Brawls happen, Sledging happens, refs make mistakes, there are one sided games but that is true of all sports it doesn't only happen in GAA. If you choose to highlight these negatives in one sport you must (if you are even-handed) report them in all sports. This is not happening. I think any reasonable person would deem this unfair. It is also reasonable therefore to ask why is RTE so intent on highlighting the negative in GAA? Who benefits?

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 26/08/2015 18:09:12    1776760

See Tomas doesn't like the Sunday Game being criticised. I wonder why that is.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 28/08/2015 18:03:31    1777611

Look boys, the Dubs have been called cowards, badge kissers, fancy Dans etc down the years on the Sunday Game.

Whether you agree or disagree, they are calling what they see. Its an opinions game.

Tomas O'Se is correct, should we all look at Tyrones antics lately and call them"beautiful" and "heroic". I think people up north have a serious chip on their shoulders about the Sunday Game. I enjoy it, I like the format and I generally think the boys speak their minds. Its not the love in on the BBC for Ulster games. Its not Sky's wooden analysis with a lack of hard hitting comment.

Tyrone unfortunately have been involved in numerous cases that were highlighted in the media. The reality is the "see no evil, hear no evil" approach of a number of posters on here is laughable. The media, will report on what they see and hear.

Eg. Dublin and the two biting cases in recent years, one unfounded and the other punished. Yeah Dublin would have preferred to not have these highlighted in the media, but they were. If you are getting involved in silly activities on the pitch, they will be reported on. Similarly when Wooly asked Jim about the incidents in the Dublin Armagh Challenge game, he was quite entitled. The media forced disciplinary procedures and fines in that case. We could moan about it....but the two teams were involved in something, a guy ended up in hospital. Should the media not have commented on this?

This overall attitude is pervasive throughout the GAA community. There calls for peoples head, when its not your county, and when it is you defend your own to the death.

If people want a proper discipline procedure that is progressive, the dinosaurs have to become extinct and counties have to accept that a punch in the face deserves a ban, a head butt is a ban, a dive is a ban, feigning injury is a ban etc.

If people want to stop seeing unsavoury behaviour, they have to accept their own counties guilt when its clearly highlighted in the media.

Part of the problem is the sanctions from referees, and the fact the refs do not have the luxury of a video ref to help them with controversial incidents. Bigger problem is the rules. They are ridiculous.

Most players in soccer don't appeal bans, generally because its a pointless endeavour especially if you actually done something wrong. In cases where mistakes are mad rescind the cards. When the ref doesn't see something, there should be retrospective bans.

Managers, players and fans embarrass themselves defending what are outrageous actions.

All players do is appeal.....and always get off. Its a ridiculous system. And it takes an eternity. Like how the McCann Hearing could not have been held the Tuesday after the game is ridiculous.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 28/08/2015 18:51:56    1777621

Good man jayp,im a fan of the Sunday Game myself.Always have been.I didnt see what all the fuss was about C O Rourke saying there seemed to be a bad smell following Tyrone around lately.He said what a lot of us thought.No big deal.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/08/2015 19:28:14    1777629

And if it was Dublin acting the maggot,id be one the first on here to condemn it.No way would i even contemplate trying to defend the indefensible.No matter where their from.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/08/2015 19:33:13    1777633