Termon
County: Tyrone
Posts: 42

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2014 I agree, give the refs a break.

However I do think umpires and linesmen should be critised at certain points. Two instances in the Tipp Galway game. One was where the Galway boy swung back at the tipp guy off the ball but in full view of the linesman. Nothing done. Second one was where Lar Corbott had to tell the unpire that he last touched the ball so no 65 awarded! Surly these guys should be able to see these things happening right in front of them!!

I think that all officials at major games should be intercounty refs, from the umpires to the linesmen.

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They are interesting points on the Tipp v Galway game. First I assume the linesman did not see the incident or else he would have reported it. And we know linesmen do report stuff. Loads of fellas have got carded or sent off over the years for incidents. So do umpires by the way.

As to the other one and Lar Corbett telling the ref he got it wrong. That's totally inaccurate. What really happened though is much more interesting. If you watch the game again you can see Barry Kelly consult with his umpire first. Barry then takes a second to himself with his hand pressed to his earpiece (as if he is listening to someone). He then blows the whistle and call it a wide. I think he heard from the fourth official it was not a 65 and then overruled his umpire.

MaigheoAbu (Mayo) - Posts: 343 - 24/08/2015 16:39:33    1775443

I fully agree it is very difficult to make the correct decision in a split second without the aid of replays etc.. that the viewer at home has. The one issue I have is with the interpretation of the rules.To give you an example Mark O Se got a black card correctly in my opinion and Niall Morgan took the resulting free-kick and scored. Kerry were then allowed to bring on Fionn Fitzgerald as a replacement. This was Maurice Deegan's interpretation of the rule.

The night before I was at a match in Kingspan Breffni Park which was been referred by Joe Mc Quillan who is in charge of the second semi final on Sunday. He gave a black card to a player the resulting free kick was scored but he would not allow the player to be replaced until after the next break of play after the kick out. This turned out to be over three minutes later.

Which referee got it right? Considering both referees are in the top five in the country how could they have both different interpretation of the rule? Are the rules to vague that lead to inconsistency?

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 24/08/2015 16:43:26    1775451

I thought Deegan did well yesterday

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/08/2015 16:43:35    1775452

ormondbannerman

The reason that I would involve the players is because they more than anyone know the problem and could have some insight and solutions into addressing them.
In relation to the TMO, yes I would advocate it and remove at least two of the umpires out of the game. I cannot see what added value they are giving to the refs.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 24/08/2015 16:46:19    1775456

In fairness to Deegan he did call it as he saw it, perhaps with the benefit of TV replays and slow motion they might be wrong or right but he kept a lid on a game that could have got nasty given the conditions. Here is the point I would make about O'Shea's he made the ref make a decision - black or yellow, there was no need for him to do it at that time in the game. If you force the ref to make a call don't complain if you get the worst. The Tyrone one the same - now I would say that from behind it looked like a trip and from the other angle the leg went out but it wasn't what caught him. Its all split second stuff but again if teams make the ref make the decisions then don't complain after the fact. Refereeing is easy when two teams go out to play the game, if they don't all the rewriting or extra officials in the world wouldn't make a difference.
Interesting enough, in Asia all the black card fouls are yellow cards and all yellow cards are a sin bin but its horses for courses as its 9 a side and 14min games - could the same work in Ireland - well it was tried and the powers that be didn't want it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 24/08/2015 17:01:24    1775473

GAA is totally different to Rugby and so is the way its refereed. Rugby is totally stop-start game whereas GAA is mostly live for the entire 70 minutes. Plus there's no offside or forward passes or anything like that. And the idea of a TMO match official being called upon time after time is ludicrous.

I would suggest something like they have in Tennis where both teams get 2 challenges against the ref which are adjudicated then by by the TMO. If they win they keep the challenges but if they lose they don't get anymore.

MaigheoAbu (Mayo) - Posts: 343 - 24/08/2015 17:08:26    1775478

Why are people still debating the second penalty call? It wasn't a penalty, end of story.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/08/2015 17:12:15    1775486

MaigheoAbu
Nobody mentioned a TMO being involved on every decision sure that is the role of the referee as most decisions are straight- forward. However on the real potential match deciding incidents, like fouls in and around the goals for penalties, on whether a foul is a black or red it would have serious merit. To an extent we are both signing from the same hymn sheet with slightly different ideas on it.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 24/08/2015 17:32:22    1775499

Anyone who thinks a TMO is a bad idea needs to cop on and move with the times. It wouldn't be called upon time after time. Maybe 2 or 3 times in a game, hardly a massive delay. It will take about 30 seconds to get the correct decison instead of a controversy.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/08/2015 17:42:54    1775508

TheFlaker
County: Mayo
Posts: 3115

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Anyone who thinks a TMO is a bad idea needs to cop on and move with the times. It wouldn't be called upon time after time. Maybe 2 or 3 times in a game, hardly a massive delay. It will take about 30 seconds to get the correct decison instead of a controversy.

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Why wouldn't it?
Every single GAA game (hurling and football) has many decisions that are controversial. e.g. last Sunday's game.

1: 2 Penalty decisions
2: 50 that was awarded against Tyrone FB when it came off Donaghys hand.
3: the majority of black cards would have to be reviewed before awarding if it was implemented
4: The tackle on Colm Cooper
5: The tackle by Shane Enright which didn't result in a card.

that's 6 decisions and never mind others where you have players from both sides calling the ref to get a better look after every foul that was awarded against them especially the critical ones that result in scores.

Finaly in GAA you have an average of 30 scores in a game. Rugby has an average of maybe 10 scores in the game with over half of them reviewed.
If half of the GAA ones were reviewed we would be watching TMOs the whole time.

MaigheoAbu (Mayo) - Posts: 343 - 25/08/2015 11:39:41    1775783

TheFlaker
County: Mayo
Posts: 3115

1775486 Why are people still debating the second penalty call? It wasn't a penalty, end of story.

It wasn't a penalty because the ref decided not to give it however if the rules had been followed he should have awarded a peno

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 25/08/2015 12:03:57    1775808

Pingcity
County: Longford
Posts: 204

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TheFlaker
County: Mayo
Posts: 3115

1775486 Why are people still debating the second penalty call? It wasn't a penalty, end of story.

It wasn't a penalty because the ref decided not to give it however if the rules had been followed he should have awarded a peno


Really, how did you figure that one out? Was The Sunday Game breakdown and close up of the incident not conclusive enough for you? You know the one that showed the Tyrone player holding the defenders arm then his jersey before hitting the deck?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 25/08/2015 12:17:22    1775824

You seem to think that every game is going to have a load of controversial calls that will need to be checked, that isn't the case. Even going on last Sunday, that is 6 decisions that would take about 30 seconds to get the correct call, what is the big deal?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 25/08/2015 12:17:31    1775826

Pingcity
County: Longford
Posts: 204

1775808
TheFlaker
County: Mayo
Posts: 3115

1775486 Why are people still debating the second penalty call? It wasn't a penalty, end of story.

It wasn't a penalty because the ref decided not to give it however if the rules had been followed he should have awarded a peno


Really, how did you figure that one out? Was The Sunday Game breakdown and close up of the incident not conclusive enough for you? You know the one that showed the Tyrone player holding the defenders arm then his jersey before hitting the deck?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 25/08/2015 12:53:33    1775859

You seem to think that every game is going to have a load of controversial calls that will need to be checked, that isn't the case. Even going on last Sunday, that is 6 decisions that would take about 30 seconds to get the correct call, what is the big deal?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 25/08/2015 12:53:41    1775860

24/08/2015 16:46:19 Adamski
Ormond The reason that I would involve the players is because they more than anyone know the problem and could have some insight and solutions into addressing them.
In relation to the TMO, yes I would advocate it and remove at least two of the umpires out of the game. I cannot see what added value they are giving to the refs. Removing umpires would mean more controversial incidents. Players shouldn't be involved in most processes like this
24/08/2015 17:08:26
MaigheoAbu
GAA is totally different to Rugby and so is the way its refereed. Rugby is totally stop-start game whereas GAA is mostly live for the entire 70 minutes. Plus there's no offside or forward passes or anything like that. And the idea of a TMO match official being called upon time after time is ludicrous.
I would suggest something like they have in Tennis where both teams get 2 challenges against the ref which are adjudicated then by by the TMO. If they win they keep the challenges but if they lose they don't get anymore. Why is the idea of a TMO ludicrous and where is the evidence that the TMO would be called upon time after time?
Rugby isn't totally stop start.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/08/2015 16:29:16    1776059

25/08/2015 11:39:41 MaigheoAbu
that's 6 decisions and never mind others where you have players from both sides calling the ref to get a better look after every foul that was awarded against them especially the critical ones that result in scores.
Finaly in GAA you have an average of 30 scores in a game. Rugby has an average of maybe 10 scores in the game with over half of them reviewed.
If half of the GAA ones were reviewed we would be watching TMOs the whole time. Rugby has plenty of tries reviewed due to nature of the game. GAA wouldn't have most scores reviewed as its clear as day that most are definite scores......

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/08/2015 16:30:46    1776060