Cluxton is extremely talented. I don't buy this notion that he isn't strong in the air. He is. How many aerial punched goals have Dublin conceded while he was between the sticks? His timing and decision making are almost always spot on. He is incredibly accurate from placed balls, capable of sticking a size 5 on a postage stamp on an area of the pitch in his own half. It would be a great disrespect to a very fine Dublin team to suggest that you 'only' have to push up on Cluxton's kickouts to beat Dublin. Firstly I wouldn't underestimate that task when the keeper is capable of such accuracy over distance, secondly I would not underestimate our fielding ability around the middle sector (Fenton, MDM, COS, Connolly and Flynn are all top class fielders) and finally we have great score finishers all over the front lines.

It will be interesting to see Mayo's tactics. I can only see them pressing which could be good for Dublin as will leave plenty of space in behind for the forwards and pacey wing backs to push into.

Should be fascinating stuff.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/08/2015 17:38:54    1776741

All fair comment Joxer but I think the Mayo Management might be having a word with Aidan O'Shea and saying to him 'if you get through one on one, Do a Jonah Lomu/Mike Catt on it and then stick it in the net' :-)

All jokes aside, it is testament to Dublin's success on kick outs that other fans feel this needs to be targeted. I said a few posts ago about Cluxton under high balls - you are correct, Dublin have not lost goals because of this, but he has lost possession under high balls.

I do think he is a good solid keeper and has played a massive part in your success but I think he has weaknesses that teams don't exploit because Dublin are so strong.

Sunday should be a cracker. I might even watch the second half instead of the United game.........

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 27/08/2015 09:43:52    1776909

I didnt like when Morgan struck his first free, which was a excellent score, he ran back into position jumping and fist pumping etc. The game was early and although it was an excellent kick it didn't require the celebration. He done the same against Donegal in Ballybofey a few years ago and never kicked a score after it. I don't know why he feels the need to react like that, Cluxton, who he should be modelling himself on, is the picture of calm after scoring, even in a pressure kick in an all ireland final, like he always knew it was going to go over, the kick was never in doubt in his mind. I don't see any free takers react the way Morgan does when they score early in games, Sheehan, O Connor, Brogan etc.

Elvisahaha (Mayo) - Posts: 36 - 27/08/2015 10:34:35    1776941

Some of Morans kick out wern't great and scores came from them but why aren't we blaming the outfield players for not winning primary possession? Poor kick outs which Kerry won. Would they have been poor kick outs if Tyrone had won them? Lay off the poor lad. It was a horrible day on a slippy surface.

Regarding the final free, if the players were so annoyed, why didn't one of the experienced players pick up the ball and take it! I agree with a previous post about the time and Moran was probably expecting a lot more injury time to be played and at that point of the game, all scores were welcome for Tyrone.

Termon (Tyrone) - Posts: 58 - 27/08/2015 10:57:12    1776961

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Some of Morans kick out wern't great and scores came from them but why aren't we blaming the outfield players for not winning primary possession? Poor kick outs which Kerry won. Would they have been poor kick outs if Tyrone had won them? Lay off the poor lad. It was a horrible day on a slippy surface.

Regarding the final free, if the players were so annoyed, why didn't one of the experienced players pick up the ball and take it! I agree with a previous post about the time and Moran was probably expecting a lot more injury time to be played and at that point of the game, all scores were welcome for Tyrone.

are you sure you are a Tyrone man ? :)... the Goalkeeper's name is Morgan not Moran.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 27/08/2015 11:29:06    1776993

I agree with Elvisahaha in that Morgan does to much celebrating when he scores and this just winds up the opposition supporters who are then on his back all the time. Then when he misses he has to jog the whole back to his own goals with the opposition supporters jeering him, that surely cannot help his confidence. I am not a big fan of keepers taking frees as it can just knock the stuffing out of a team if he starts missing - more so than an outfield player. I wouldn't mind if Morgan was a great free taker like Cluxton but his percentage success rate must be quite low, granted they are all frees from distance. The other thing about Cluxton is that he has an ice cool temperament and doesn't let a miss effect him.

Morgan is a good goalkeeper and normally his kick-out are good but I wouldn't have him taking the frees. I actually thought that Michael O'Neill was a good keeper, he played very well against Donegal earlier in the year, had a more calming presence.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 27/08/2015 12:13:25    1777024

As a goal keeper I think Morgan is one of the best as a dead-ball kicker, when you seen the point from the Hoganstand in the first half obviously things looked like they were going his way, but when it goes slightly off centre i thought McCurry or McAliskey sould have been taken them.

McCurry did take a few and the same result, dead-balll kickers can win or lose you games and with Morgan being compared to Cluxton is ridiculous, Cluxton is one of the best in the business and has been for a number of years and is consistently reliable.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 27/08/2015 12:44:46    1777039

Some of Morans kick out wern't great and scores came from them but why aren't we blaming the outfield players for not winning primary possession? Poor kick outs which Kerry won. Would they have been poor kick outs if Tyrone had won them? Lay off the poor lad. It was a horrible day on a slippy surface.

I'm not buying that. He kicked away too many low and hard straight into Kerry men's chests, there was no one there to contest them. There was another short one he kicked like a bullet at a Tyrone man's feet when the ball could have been just clipped into his hands and they lost the ball. I wouldn't be so hard on him for the frees they weren't exactly easy but the kickouts were some of the worst I've seen (at least since we played Sligo).

wee_yo (Mayo) - Posts: 63 - 27/08/2015 14:07:35    1777085

Morgan not the only keeper still being called to kick frees based on a good ratio 3/4 years ago

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 30/08/2015 17:26:08    1778112

Easy to say it now but Cluxton is a small bit overrated. Great keeper yes but his outstanding kickouts are very dependent on movement out the field, which a lot of the time doesn't get mentioned. Today Mayo closed off the angles and reduced the options for Cluxton. It had clearly had him rattled come the last 10 minutes.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 30/08/2015 17:36:08    1778129

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....ps - can the comparisons to Cluxton stop now, they are not in the same league.
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I think you may have jinxed yourself, Liam. Missed frees, short kickouts to opponents, mental errors - they don't look so dissimilar after all!

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 30/08/2015 19:41:22    1778294