Diarmuid Connolly should never have been sent off in 2011 and Dublin had a just cause to appeal that,Walsh took a dive which he should be ashamed off,
not that I begrudge Keane the chance to play,but the rules are becoming a joke,the farce over banning mc Cann for 8 weeks and then overturning it,just shows what a joke the GAA has become.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 20/08/2015 13:02:11    1773164

poor refereeing was the cause of all this, Keane was pulled to the ground and dragged by Murphy and then caught by the throat by Murphy and the ref did nothing . however I agree it was a red card offence but Murphy should have got one also

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 20/08/2015 13:10:38    1773171

Yes Id agree. However, the same could be said of the Diarmuid Connolly case. You weren't calling that a shambles however...

To be honest the Connolly case was a bit of a farce too, but the only reason that was overturned was that the referee made a mistake in sending him off. Not that he should have got a red or not, but the fact that he just waved the card without taking the players name and actually booking him. It's because this mistake was going to be highlighted by the Dublin Co board appeal that the kind decision was made not to deny him his chance to play in a final.
As for the Keane case,I know it was a nothing kind of contact, but it did fall under the rules of striking or attempting to strike, both red card offences. and to overturn it just doesn't make sense if the credibility of the refs and the rules mean anything to the GAA.
It's no suprise that referees are becoming more and more reluctant to make decisions on the field when their decisions, even correct ones are being overturned by Croke Park.

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13610

1772921 I have to say, Im surprised. I wonder what was the criteria? I seriously doubt they done what they should be doing all the time and used common sense.

However, if they rescinded it on lack of malicious intent, then I think that is a good thing for the game going forward. There is a danger of becoming slaves to how rules are worded etc, rather than having the rules serves the good of the game. This is a step away from the former, towards the latter.

In total agreement for once , with above post .
Rules for some are another form or word for punishment , this should not be the case .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/08/2015 13:17:23    1773178

totally joke it's crazy, it shouldn't have been appealed full stop. The ref totally made the right call and deserved for the red card no doubt about it :/ , if it was in any other county game and they appealed it , it wound't be over turned but no. no it' just who they are completely joke , on what grounds i like to know and so would everyone else like to know why it was over turned :/ my god but GAA's Central Hearings Committee is gone a complete joke at this stage and so is the GAA . It isn't entertaining as much as it used to be and i think the only time the gaa comes together if tragedy strikes . but this ban is crazy never been appealed for one reason a strike is a strike and should be missing the nxt match :/ it's gone bit shambles the gaa is :/ if it was club straight red , but its like if mayo gave someone a tip off to make sure it was over turned :/ but a red card is there for reason .

niamhyr1994 (Roscommon) - Posts: 22 - 20/08/2015 13:18:56    1773181

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13610

1773137 jimbodub
It was an excellent piece of refereeing and the collusion between ref and umpire was absolutely spot on
They did extremely well and came to the right decision
As clear as a red card offense you will ever see
And it still gets over turned
Feckin laughable... what a shambles
Again hats off to the ref and umpire for doing a perfectly spot on job

Yes Id agree. However, the same could be said of the Diarmuid Connolly case. You weren't calling that a shambles however...


I don't think it's a valid comparison

Connolly didn't strike the face, the Donegal man in that incident went down holding his face as if he was punched directly on it

It was pure 100% gamesmanship when it greatly benefited his own team to have a Dublin player sent off

This is simply not the case in the recent incident

The difference here is that a Donegal player was directly punched in the face and didn't go down, who didn't play act, who didn't twist the facts in order to get a man sent off at a hugely advantageous time - he correctly went to the umpire

In the Connolly incident the Donegal man fooled the ref by play acting, and it was a poor decision

It's a very different scenario altogether - Murphy had nothing to gain - the game was over

If Connolly had punched directly to the face, and if the Donegal player hadn't of dived and play acted to make the offense look far more extreme than it was in order to greatly bolster his sides chance of winning

I wouldn't have had any issue with Connolly being banned - He would have deserved it for reacting, and blatantly punching a player in the face right in front of the umpire

In this case a Mayo man punched a Donegal man square in the face - it was spotted by the umpire, the ref also saw the incident but correctly went to his umpire to get his opinion - between the two of them they made the correct decision

I just cant see the logic in over turning this red card

Which you've already agreed upon - yet felt it necessary to highlight a completely inadequate comparison to a case 4 years ago...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 20/08/2015 13:43:03    1773209

TirChonaillabu2
County: Donegal
Posts: 118

Diarmuid Connolly should never have been sent off in 2011 and Dublin had a just cause to appeal that,Walsh took a dive which he should be ashamed off,
not that I begrudge Keane the chance to play,but the rules are becoming a joke,the farce over banning mc Cann for 8 weeks and then overturning it,just shows what a joke the GAA has become.


Agree 100%

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 20/08/2015 13:44:13    1773211

Joke of a decision really. In all likelihood it'll have little bearing on the game v Dublin itself but this sets an awful precedent.

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 20/08/2015 15:28:41    1773314

There's no rules in the GAA

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 20/08/2015 15:50:56    1773330

This is the second year in a row Mayon have been succesful with appeals against red cards, Although both red cards were harsh by the letter of the law they were correct decisions by the referees in both cases , what message is this sending to referees they make the correct decisions based upon the rules set out by the gaa but are appealed at every oppurtunity by county boards. Last year podge collins got sent off for interfering with a helmet albeit not a major interference and yet his suspension stood were is the equality in the decisions to uphold suspensions in some cases yet in others appeals are succesful. Personally I think Kevin Keane should have accepted his punishment as what he done was stupid at a stage in a game were the result was not in the balance and he was smiling going off the pitch perhaps he knew there was no chance of the suspension being enforced

royalrover (Meath) - Posts: 55 - 20/08/2015 16:02:06    1773342

To dispel any last notions about the GAA. There are no rules. Play away

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 20/08/2015 16:18:30    1773353

Why do the GAA not report the reasons for the ban been overturned, would be very interesting to hear the reasoning behind their decision.

A striking offence and a red card should obviously result in a one match ban and pure nonsense that it was overturned. Comparing the incident to Connolly in 2011 is incorrect as the Donegal player clearly took a dive and he is the player that should have been punished.

Doesnt matter if he is a second choice full back or not, if it was Aidan O Se or O Connor then the same ridiculous decision would have been reached.
Nobody likes seeing playErs who have put in a massive effort in training all year being suspended but rules are rules, unfortunately the people in charge in the GAA are not capable of making the right decisions yet again.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 20/08/2015 16:50:24    1773386

niamhyr1994 - You must be the Roscommon girl last night going mental on the Mayo GAA twitter feed. Take a chill pill.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 20/08/2015 16:54:04    1773389

KY4SAM2015
County: Kerry
Posts: 204

1773386 Why do the GAA not report the reasons for the ban been overturned, would be very interesting to hear the reasoning behind their decision.

A striking offence and a red card should obviously result in a one match ban and pure nonsense that it was overturned. Comparing the incident to Connolly in 2011 is incorrect as the Donegal player clearly took a dive and he is the player that should have been punished.

Doesnt matter if he is a second choice full back or not, if it was Aidan O Se or O Connor then the same ridiculous decision would have been reached.
Nobody likes seeing playErs who have put in a massive effort in training all year being suspended but rules are rules, unfortunately the people in charge in the GAA are not capable of making the right decisions yet again.
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Well said.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 20/08/2015 16:54:08    1773390

Yes to the letter of the law...striking offence straight red. If the ccc were to go toothed letter of the law this shouldn't have overturned however they must have looked at lead up to the incident in coming to their conclusions...

Also it interests me all the posters here saying Keane should not have appealed this and should have taken his punishment...lads out yourself in management boots from whatever county your from...of course you want hour full squad available for hour next game....you would be a foolish man or woman not to appeal when you have the right to.

velo (Mayo) - Posts: 33 - 20/08/2015 16:59:29    1773398

Jimbo, what are you taking about? Connolly's closed fist struck the donegal lad on his right jaw, then he struck him twice more on either shoulder for good measure. Stop being so biased.

Either way, the rule is 'a strike or attempt to strike', it doesn't have to be in the face. If keane should be banned then Connolly should have been also. Trying to differentiate between them is just ridiculous. They both struck a guy, they both got off on appeal, going by the rules as they are interpreted now, neither should have.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 20/08/2015 17:03:10    1773399

Themaster

Ssssssdssssh I've already cleared up your totally invalid comparison

As you can see I'm not the only poster who has done so

Good to see that Vaughan at least had his black card upheld

Despite the best of efforts

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 20/08/2015 19:33:41    1773492

The GAA haven't explained the decision but I would have to assume that is was due to lack of malicious intent. That is fair enough but now the refs have to decide if a strike is malicious or not.

Would it just be easier for the GAA to make any type of striking action to the face punishable by red card, whether it connects or not, otherwise any player who punches an opponent in the face will be appealing their red card.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 20/08/2015 20:28:28    1773526

Connolly never once threw a dig he pushed the Donegal player in the face and the Donegal player embarrassed himself.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/08/2015 20:43:25    1773536

The lesson is well learned. If you're gonna get a red, make sure opponent is stretched.
Great to see common sense, a rare commodity, in GAA, being applied. in this case. The only one to hang head in shame is Murphy, running, out of sheer badness, to umpire like a little girl to get an opponent dismissed.
Having said that, Keane was foolish to have engaged with Murphy with a minute on the clock and Mayo eight up. Should have dealt with him in other effective and more subtle ways.

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 20/08/2015 20:45:49    1773540