Breffni - as a proud Kerry man I can assure you this thread is not anti football.
It's a discussion about the attitude of hurlers vrs footballers.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 17/08/2015 14:27:49    1771436

So Keeper7, are you agreeing that it WAS cynical to pull down Callanan because he had already scored 3-4?
Isn't that exactly the same reasoning that provoked Brolly's rant over Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle on Conor Mcmanus?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 17/08/2015 14:33:11    1771442

westkerry
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1771436 Breffni - as a proud Kerry man I can assure you this thread is not anti football.
It's a discussion about the attitude of hurlers vrs footballers.

Fair enough but it's certainly more "anti-football" than "anti-hurling", but of course anyone who doesn't state that hurling and everything about it is the greatest thing of all time is boxed off as a WUM or anti-hurling or whatever. Meanwhile "hit and hope" doesn't exist in hurling while at the same time being one of the most enjoyable apects of the game depending on how you want to kill the debate.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 17/08/2015 14:36:02    1771446

I thought the panel last night on the Sunday Game were class. 3 legends in Dónal Óg, Anthony Daly and Henry Shefflin with Dessie. All 4 of them in awe of such a great game. Analysis was top class and plenty of banter and craic between them.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 17/08/2015 14:42:06    1771453

Simply astounded at the way hit & hope has been defined here.

Even on the club scene, at junior B level here in Limerick, very few players give the ball away. Even in football, the big ball Donegal hit Armagh with early on in their Ulster Football clash this year - hardly hit & hope. I'd call it a playing the percentages ball. If you let in 10 of those to the big man in the game and he catches 5 and 4 end up in scores, that's a notable return. Tipp yesterday played 3 balls down top of Callinan that he won and scored goals from. Are they hit & hope balls?

For me a hit & hope ball is where no target is identified before the player releases the ball. A rarity in either code.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/08/2015 14:58:35    1771465

Don't be silly Slayer, the football lads are spot on here. It really is amazing that nobody in the hurling world has yet thought of the idea of players passing to their teammates. Id suggest that if one of the footballer lovers on here who have spotted the 'hit & hope' flaw in hurling took over Laois, Westmeath, Down etc, that with this new passing to a teammate idea they would go on to dominate the sport in a way Kilkenny could only dream of!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 17/08/2015 15:06:48    1771475

Soma

Very good :-)

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/08/2015 15:20:37    1771493

Ye're clearly going out of your way to misunderstand "hit and hope" as it was defined earlier in the thread. Get over yourselves lads.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 17/08/2015 15:34:06    1771508

Fair enough but it's certainly more "anti-football" than "anti-hurling", but of course anyone who doesn't state that hurling and everything about it is the greatest thing of all time is boxed off as a WUM or anti-hurling or whatever. Meanwhile "hit and hope" doesn't exist in hurling while at the same time being one of the most enjoyable apects of the game depending on how you want to kill the debate.

But sure it is, theres no debate needed!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 17/08/2015 15:38:03    1771511

I'm not Breff.

I've previously only ever heard that reference to one Limerick hurler who was brilliant at winning possession but hit a lot of high balls over the end line.

He Hit it & hoped it would reach one of his team mates. Other than that I think what you are talking about is a total rarity.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/08/2015 15:38:14    1771512

slayer
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1771512 I'm not Breff.

I've previously only ever heard that reference to one Limerick hurler who was brilliant at winning possession but hit a lot of high balls over the end line.

He Hit it & hoped it would reach one of his team mates. Other than that I think what you are talking about is a total rarity.

As amazing as yesterdays game was there were several instances where a corner back or someone in the full-back line gained possession and simply lamped the ball as far as they could. Deny this all you want but take it up with some of the hurling fans (I'm a hurling fan myself but you know what I mean) on this very thread who have stated that this is one of the most enjoyable parts of the game.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 17/08/2015 15:58:03    1771536

I'm laughing at myself now for getting into this discussion with hurling snobs, schoolboy error!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 17/08/2015 16:00:43    1771538

As amazing as yesterdays game was there were several instances where a corner back or someone in the full-back line gained possession and simply lamped the ball as far as they could.

Previously you stated it was 90% of balls were hit & hope, but now it is several. Strange.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/08/2015 16:05:52    1771545

slayer
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Previously you stated it was 90% of balls were hit & hope, but now it is several. Strange.

No I didn't

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 17/08/2015 16:09:33    1771547

The way some people are going on about yesterdays match you'd think it was only great game of sport ever played or the only great game of hurling ever played.

It was top quality game but for gods sake calm down about the whole thing.If anything to ridiculousness over praise of yesterdays match shows how dire the rest of the year has been.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 17/08/2015 17:11:38    1771577

At long last we get a top class competitive hurling match in this year's championship . Hopefully the final will be just as good and that will be two games worth talking about this year .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 17/08/2015 17:34:00    1771584

I enjoy both games.

You can't compare them though 'cos they're completely different.

Muilleann (Tipperary) - Posts: 114 - 19/08/2015 13:08:05    1772474

The RWC is on the horizon. We've see NZ, Aus, S Afr, Aus, Eng, S Afr and NZ take the WET home. What we haven't seen is greater equity of funding and participation. Samoa, for example, give the lie to the corporate propaganda about 'a world in Union'.

Relevance to the GAA? It is a travesty that hurling is dying here at home in some places and all but ignored in the UK. While it's great to see Galway and Tipperary serve up a classic, few if any crumbs seem to make their way down off the top table. If we really buy into it being the greatest field game in the world, we'd do well to put more welly into it.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 19/08/2015 13:31:12    1772495

I know the corner backs performing a long clearance may look like hit and hope but playing a ball into space or on top of your half or fullforwards is a lagitamate tactic and very deliberate. The unfamiliarity may be because such a clearance hasn't been seen in a football game for 15 years.

All joking aside before the corner backs clear the ball they do what has been taught from a very young age and look up so as to give your teammate the best chance to win possession. Realistically if it was hit and hope the team doing it would get hammered because their forwards wouldn't get a sniff, I dont see why there is the constant comparison and denigrating of each sport, they are very different are obviously analysed very differently and we still have people trying to say one is better than the other, save it for the school yard.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 19/08/2015 14:40:17    1772563

duckula20

Nailed it!

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/08/2015 14:44:09    1772567