Mc Cann did wrong - but if he was wearing a Kerry jersey, he would be warned about his future,,,,,,, lets face it what sactions were handed down to Kineally of Kerry after the 09 final. - or what happened Aidan O' Mahoney when he was involved in his high profile drama

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 12/08/2015 11:36:47    1768651

The sanction should have been a yellow card. Can any rules expert advise us as to whether a yellow card can't be carried into a subsequent match?

Anyway, the real issue here is *consistency of sanctions* for very similar offences. Aidan O'Mahony dived v Dublin in a recent match and was rightly yellow carded and that was the end of it. He certainly didn't get an 8 week ban.

Equally, Shields dived v Kerry - scroll down and watch it here, it's a carbon copy of the McCann dive, albeit slightly worse as he pretends he's been hit in the face: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0720/716074-rte-gaa-podcast-cork-kerry/

Can some GAA rules expert explain why, for the exact same type of offence, Shields gets nothing, O'Mahony gets a yellow, but McCann gets an 8 weeks ban?

That's the issue, that's the question. If there is no clear-cut rules-based explanation for these startling differences in sanctions applied, then a reasonable conclusion is that the anti-Ulster / anti-Tyrone bias is alive and well in the GAA.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 12/08/2015 11:58:44    1768664

some of the Ulster boys on here abselutly love to feel sorry for themselves, the "southern media" didnt just conjure up the stereotype of Ulster football

are Ulster teams more defensive?yes

more cynical? yes

most competetive as a province? yes

I've abselutly no sympathy for Mcann or Tyrone, your in an AI semi final, got on with things

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 12/08/2015 12:03:48    1768667

I'll ask again - where was the public/media outcry and action over the incidents in the All Ireland Club Final this year? Wasn't just one incident by a player but 3 or 4. Or as it appears, does it depend on who are the culprits?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/08/2015 12:04:41    1768669

I'll ask again - where was the public/media outcry and action over the incidents in the All Ireland Club Final this year? Wasn't just one incident by a player but 3 or 4. Or as it appears, does it depend on who are the culprits?

Probably not on the same level but there was a poor reaction to the antics of players from Clare & Limerick in the hurling clash on May 24th. A player from each side hit the deck rather easily and there was a lot of debate. Thing is both incidents were dealt with on the pitch so slightly different.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/08/2015 12:08:48    1768672

Victorious - do Antrim play defensive football? Do we play cynically? Would you be generalising perhaps? And if so do you epitomise the general feeling that people from here are talking about? Stay tuned and find out!!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/08/2015 12:10:41    1768679

Yeah but slayer I am talking about what went on in the club final - the player even got the MOTM award. Not one thing was made of that in what was repeated offending in that game. What made what McCann did any different to what has been going on for years in our games? Why take action now? Why not draw a line in the sand, put steps in place which clearly outline what the consequences are for such actions and then implement them? Or are they now going to review every case of this and hand out retrospective bans too?

Whether or not there is an agenda one thing is that how the GAA handle such incidents as this and the Cavanagh make me question why do certain teams get hit harder than others for commiting the same acts?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/08/2015 12:20:02    1768692

A man takes a blatant dive and is punished for it. That incident overshadowed all the good football at the weekend. Now some posters think the Gaa are anti Gaa!!!!!! If it stops some one else doing it it will be a success. He went out of his way to dishonestly get another player sent off. Nobody could have sympathy for him. We all know the lengths and scarifices that the modern player goes too and mc cann showed no respect for this by doing what he did. The lack of repect is shocking.

My own county have had an incident like this. Marty Boyle against Dublin in 2011. Embarrassing is not the word. Time for everyone to take off your county coloured glasses and call out the problems. Blind faith in your county and players will only lead to more cynical play. If what happened over the weekend happens in a soccer match then the holier than thou that populate on here would have a field day on their character.
As for the anti Ulster talk, what a pile of bull. 3 panelists on a highlights show expressing personal opinions do not represent the Gaa lawmakers. Never heard of a anti Kerry biased when everything unsavoury by Paul galvin was highlighted and rightly received a ban. If they are highlighting some negative its for a reason. Time for players, coaches and managers to take responsibility for their own actions. Time to grow up.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 12/08/2015 12:20:22    1768693

Close this thread, I am sick of coming onto this forum to read this nonsense on a daily basis.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 12/08/2015 12:24:04    1768698

Great post Bain

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/08/2015 12:27:12    1768700

Offside

when we played you in the league in Aughrim a couple of years ago and we drew you played quite defensively and I watched you play Fermanagh on BBC this year and im not going to say your as bad as the likes of Cavan and Tyrone but you still played a defensive game?

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 12/08/2015 12:27:38    1768702

goinwellintrain
County: Mayo
Posts: 55

You can't compare what goes on with the Northern teams to Dublin and Mayo, who play physical hard football but it is fair.. The Northern teams do need to clean up their act but the GAA are going the wrong way about making it happen!

Think Mayo is the last team to shout about 'hard but fair'. Take a look at Lee Keegan's 'hard but fair' attack on Lundy in Connacht semi-final before the ball was thrown in this year for an example of cynical play. Again the ref fell for it and gave both a yellow card.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 12/08/2015 12:28:57    1768704

Bain
County: Donegal
Posts: 321

1768693 A man takes a blatant dive and is punished for it. That incident overshadowed all the good football at the weekend. Now some posters think the Gaa are anti Gaa!!!!!! If it stops some one else doing it it will be a success. He went out of his way to dishonestly get another player sent off. Nobody could have sympathy for him. We all know the lengths and scarifices that the modern player goes too and mc cann showed no respect for this by doing what he did. The lack of repect is shocking.

My own county have had an incident like this. Marty Boyle against Dublin in 2011. Embarrassing is not the word. Time for everyone to take off your county coloured glasses and call out the problems. Blind faith in your county and players will only lead to more cynical play. If what happened over the weekend happens in a soccer match then the holier than thou that populate on here would have a field day on their character.
As for the anti Ulster talk, what a pile of bull. 3 panelists on a highlights show expressing personal opinions do not represent the Gaa lawmakers. Never heard of a anti Kerry biased when everything unsavoury by Paul galvin was highlighted and rightly received a ban. If they are highlighting some negative its for a reason. Time for players, coaches and managers to take responsibility for their own actions. Time to grow up.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 12/08/2015 12:29:45    1768706

Offside_Rule is talking the most sense here. Its the complete lack of consistency is the problem. The real solution would be for the GAA to make it clear that any similar occurences in the future will result in an 8 week ban, But making up punishments and doling them out retrospectively is not on, it makes a complete mockery of the rules of the game.

I really can't blame Tyrone people for feeling that the GAA are out to get them when there have been numerous very similar incidents in the recent past which have escaped punishment but now they decide to take action. How could they feel differently?

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 12/08/2015 12:30:34    1768707

Bain
County: Donegal
Posts: 321

1768693 A man takes a blatant dive and is punished for it. That incident overshadowed all the good football at the weekend. Now some posters think the Gaa are anti Gaa!!!!!! If it stops some one else doing it it will be a success. He went out of his way to dishonestly get another player sent off. Nobody could have sympathy for him. We all know the lengths and scarifices that the modern player goes too and mc cann showed no respect for this by doing what he did. The lack of repect is shocking.

My own county have had an incident like this. Marty Boyle against Dublin in 2011. Embarrassing is not the word. Time for everyone to take off your county coloured glasses and call out the problems. Blind faith in your county and players will only lead to more cynical play. If what happened over the weekend happens in a soccer match then the holier than thou that populate on here would have a field day on their character.
As for the anti Ulster talk, what a pile of bull. 3 panelists on a highlights show expressing personal opinions do not represent the Gaa lawmakers. Never heard of a anti Kerry biased when everything unsavoury by Paul galvin was highlighted and rightly received a ban. If they are highlighting some negative its for a reason. Time for players, coaches and managers to take responsibility for their own actions. Time to grow up.
12/08/2015 12:24:04
Fair play on the above.Total sense.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 12/08/2015 12:31:43    1768710

benjyy

the GAA did nothing to Tyrone over the minor players sledging against donegal?

against the brawl in the senior match at halftime?

how are they consistently out to get them

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 12/08/2015 12:33:18    1768713

benched - they were off the top of my head.. As I say, I could go on all day, abusing players about the death of their fathers in minor.. Giving such abuse in an All-Ireland u-21 final that the manager was refused entry into the dressing roo another couple, if you want me to give you a hundred over the last few years, I can.. There is no anti-ulster sentiment in the GAA, however actions have repercussions. The problem is the teams behave in a manner not befitting the organisation and then start crying when people don't like it. And the OP is piss*d off with the ban so is trying ti get the rest od Ulster on the us and them bandwagon. Fermanagh were cheered and supported in Croker a couple of weeks back, the Donegal team have got mostly positive press once there systems developed. Dooher, Canavan et al. are revered down here, there is no basis to the argument.

The fact is you reape what you sow.

goinwellintrain (Mayo) - Posts: 96 - 12/08/2015 12:38:58    1768716

Victorious87
County: Wicklow
Posts: 292

1768702
Offside

when we played you in the league in Aughrim a couple of years ago and we drew you played quite defensively and I watched you play Fermanagh on BBC this year and im not going to say your as bad as the likes of Cavan and Tyrone but you still played a defensive game?

Want a rule or bans for this now too?
Don't know much about Wicklow football, not a lot do, but I do know there is an awful lot of squealing about how the press unfairly highlights the incidents of thuggery in club matches that seem to occur on a regular basis - or am I just generalising and sensationalising?

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 12/08/2015 12:41:55    1768723

goinwellintrain

couldnt agree more with that post

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 12/08/2015 12:43:49    1768726

Donegal positive press??? What do you be reading?
Easy to pat Fermanagh on the head and patronise them, which is what happened whether the relaised it themselves or not.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 12/08/2015 12:44:43    1768729