I would not blame Micky Harte and Tyrone if they decided not to field a team against Kerry. Maybe then the RTE and southern bias will catch a grip of themselves.

TyroneLegend78 (Tyrone) - Posts: 52 - 12/08/2015 10:23:07    1768541

An 8 week ban is absolutely NOT excessive. He deserves every single minute of it for his shameful act and I'd say the same if he was from my own county. Feigning injury is creeping into our games big time and has to be nipped in the bud, leave it to the premiers***e.

Dienekes (Laois) - Posts: 6 - 12/08/2015 10:28:41    1768553

Gaelic football gets a lot of bad press much of it unfairly. Northern teams take the brunt of it because they have been the real tactical innovators and these tactics have been primarily defensive.

I think you are hammering the GAA based on the RTE pundits. I don't think their opinions are necessarily those of the GAA.

This second tier competition that they keep banging on about is nonsense. Certainly create one but let everyone play in the main championship too. I don't think the GAA will run with this. I hope they won't. It would hit attendances in a big way. Fermanagh brough thousands through the gates this year as did Micko's Wicklow team a few years back. Playing in a B competition wouldn't attract 2 men and a dog. In soccer teams of all levels play in the cup which would be the equivalent of our championship.

It would be very interesting if you could go back in time and change how the pundits on RTE reacted to the evolution of the game. If they hailed these new tactics, put the management who devised them and spoke glowingly about how intriguing it was to see these defences in action against the counter tactics to unlocked them, the pace of the counter attack etc. I think the man on the street would perceive Gaelic football very differently. Most people just regurgitate what the pundits say and adopt those opinions as their own.

I hated the Meath team of the late 80s / 90s as did every on in Cork but I'd still take their form of dirt over the diving an play acting that has crept in now. I think the 8 week Tiernan McCann ban is correct. It got more publicity than the Michael Shields incident because maybe it looked marginally worse but the big reason is because the referee was conned and a man go the line in an All Ireland semi final. There is no anti Tyrone there. If a Cork player did what McCann did with the same result it would be equally big news. I think the hair ruffling was just the straw that broke the camels back, just too embarrasing to let go. If the GAA were to retrospectively ban Michael Shields I'd have no argument with that either. In fact I'd welcome it.

Most GAA people don't want this sneekyness so long associated with soccer getting a grip in on our games. Soccer have watched it for years and done nothing. The GAA have to be commended for taking action. They are however 7 years too late. Aidan O'Mahony's dive against Cork in 08 was the time to act. Better late then never. Ban McCann, ban Shields too and clean up our game.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 339 - 12/08/2015 10:30:34    1768555

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I would not blame Micky Harte and Tyrone if they decided not to field a team against Kerry. Maybe then the RTE and southern bias will catch a grip of themselves.

See what you can do on your side to make this happen. Cheers

JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 12/08/2015 10:36:07    1768562

@tyronemanc

What is your point?

So what if Spillane et al want to criticize the blanket defence? That's life. Most of the Ulster sides and a few others have taken this from the media for years. BIG DEAL. The media slate other counties for not being competitive enough against the Dublins and Mayos and then slate them when they try another tactic to win. BIG DEAL. The media are currently focusing their attention on a young player who went out of his way to deceive the match officials and have an opponent sent off. That, to me, is an issue but its up to the GAA to make their minds up about it and dole out the same message to EVERYONE thereafter. So If your point is around the most recent controversy then I am not sure the subject should be 'the north'. Whatever the outcome its not going to be a punishment exclusively for one player, club, county or province.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 12/08/2015 10:38:47    1768566

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I would not blame Micky Harte and Tyrone if they decided not to field a team against Kerry. Maybe then the RTE and southern bias will catch a grip of themselves.

See what you can do on your side to make this happen. Cheers


That's a bit much Legend but it must be said it would make a farce of the All Ireland Championship for sure. The guy needs to take his punishment, take of your red hand goggles lad.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 12/08/2015 10:39:37    1768567

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I would not blame Micky Harte and Tyrone if they decided not to field a team against Kerry. Maybe then the RTE and southern bias will catch a grip of themselves

Yeah the big bad 'southern' media. Have a read of this...

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2015/08/11/news/tyrone-need-to-remember-the-manner-of-winning-matters-222525/

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 12/08/2015 10:41:38    1768570

I think that a ban a this stage is too much. He deserves it but he's also being made a scapegoat. So in this instance a clear guideline should be published for players feigning injury.
Nobody talks about the referee. He was terrible in this incident. He didn't see what happened and sent off a player by guessing as to what had happened. Incompetent stuff. Iv heard how refs are told to check how injured a player is before booking or sending off a guy..very very amateur.
There's a cultural thing as well. People might not like it but there's obviously a difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic in this. We have grown apart over the last 80 years or so. It may permeate even to a minor thing like this.
Finally there's a battle in GAA at the moment. Are we going to go more like soccer or rugby.? Is the physical stuff going to be bigger hits or is every trip a yellow. Where I come from we are losing bigger more aggressive guys to other sports because GAA is going soft.

BanTarleton (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 12/08/2015 10:44:08    1768577

Aaahh come off it now!.. Agreed that an 8 week ban is completely over the top and a crazy decision, but to go on that the GAA are picking on Ulster is just looking for pity and sounds like a spoiled child. There is a big difference between plating hard and playing dirty. Your example of Meath and Mayo is 20 years ago, the association and play has evolved no end since then, and as the saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right."

The fact of the matter is the Ulster teams are dirty and go to injure players. I will give the example of the ALL Ireland semi v Mayo in 2012 when Cillian O'Connor came in returining from injury. What was the first thing that was done, his arm was pulled and dragged to test his shoulder. Then the first ball he received two men end up on the ground on top of him. That isn't playing hard it is playing dirty.

Examples of giving the organisation a bad name the Cavan and Armagh fight pre-starting the match.. Donegal Tyrone fight at half time.. The going on of the last ten minutes between Maonaghan and Tyrone, I could go on for the day.The way Monaghan played in Castlebar against Mayo this year, where there were 8 seperate striking incidents all one way, an absolute disgrace. I could go on all day.. All these incidents were televised and are not doing Ulster football any favours.

The style of football because that's another days work. Can either Monaghan or Tyrone fans honestly say they enjoyed Saturdays game? The fact of the matter is they need to clean of their act. A previous poster stated the point correctly in saying Donegal started the blanket but evolved it into a good system, the rest of Ulster just want to strangle the life out of the game and hopefully win it on physicality.

What does the OP propose, they are let away with whatever they want to do to win and all the incidents giving the game a bad name? The dive was a disgrace but does not warrant missing a possible AI semi and final which he may never play in again, but the Ulster brand of physichal football has to stop. You can't compare what goes on with the Northern teams to Dublin and Mayo, who play physical hard football but it is fair.. The Northern teams do need to clean up their act but the GAA are going the wrong way about making it happen!

goinwellintrain (Mayo) - Posts: 96 - 12/08/2015 10:45:09    1768579

Been experiencing the anti ulster football for a few years now but only under the mc Guinness era when we wer getting criticism for the style of play.
Spillane tarred us with the "puke football" jibe and the uneducated still use it to this day despite racking up big scores and great football.
A prime example is the final last year.
Donegals blanket defense nd counter attack got us to the final with Kerry.
The stately was always criticised for having numbers behind the ball but when Kerry did it and out Donegaled donegal Spillane and o rourke etc said it was a defensive masterclass by Kerry.

Donegal_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 37 - 12/08/2015 10:45:28    1768581

tyronemanc: Take a look back at the Meath v Mayo AI final when they knocked shades out of each other, look at Spillane's comments on that he merely sat bat and laughed when analysing it on the Sunday game, where either of those teams ask to give an apology? You honestly think that that incident was taken lightly ?, 2 players were sent off and it was all over the papers for ages. 8 Meath players and 7 Mayo players received suspensions later on many of them lengthy, mainly because of media hysteria after that match. As for your comment about Meath winning in 1996, Tyrone need to get over being hammered by Meath in 1996 when you were hot favourites for the All Ireland that year. It's 20 years ago and you enjoyed your best era ever in the following decade. Gaelic football is a man's game, having players committing cynical fouls, rough tackles and time wasting is one thing which might be annoying for the opposition but having players diving especially diving when there is nothing wrong with them so as to get their opponents booked/ sent off is unmanly and pathetic.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1365 - 12/08/2015 10:50:04    1768589

'I think you are hammering the GAA based on the RTE pundits. I don't think their opinions are necessarily those of the GAA'

A very valid point dahayser.

I was at a talkback event last week here in Belfast and the Croke Park communications officer was there and while some of the ex players were criticising the defensive style of play he didnt. In fact if i remember right(as i had 1 or 2 sups!) i believe he actually defended those who play that way by as others have done by pointing to some of the scores by these teams!

So whilst we whinge about it from time to time, myself included, i dont think theres a huge anti-northern conspiracy within the realms of croke park. However, there are agendas (with political undercurrents) being pushed in certain quarters when it comes to highlighting anything that they deem bringing the game into disrepute.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 12/08/2015 10:50:16    1768590

Don't believe in scapecoat culture , we are bigger than one individual and our laws and decisions should reflect that , equally I have found some of the Tyrone posters the hardest to discuss anything with on this forum , as its near on impossible for them to admit in public what Id have a feeling they actually think on certain topics .
Its a very vicious cycle aggressive defence leads to further attacks , perhaps if Tyrone posters didn't begin every defence with " but what about the time " then perhaps some would cut them some slack .I will give you a for instance L Rushe was condemned by practically every Dublin hurling supporter on HS after striking out with his hurl . Had he been a Tyrone similar type defence same lads on here would just round the wagons , if that's how you like it then fair enough ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/08/2015 11:00:45    1768603

I must say ive never had trouble from any fans from other provinces. Like lots of issues in the north people up here seem to have a chip on thie shoulder for whatever reason. Only time I ever got trouble or abuse at a match was in Donegal and again the following year from the same fans in Derry (must have been unlucky just)

Aogan O' Fearghail is from ulster so he must be against us as well!!!

Talk with football on the pitch. During our darkest hours in the '6' the GAA was one of the few shining lights......dont forget that

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 12/08/2015 11:02:41    1768605

DamotheDUb I am not for one second condoning what Tiernan did, however I would ask for consistency and for it to be dealt with in line with the rules as they are written and not a knee jerk reaction to the Sunday Game panelists

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 11:08:58    1768614

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I must say ive never had trouble from any fans from other provinces. Like lots of issues in the north people up here seem to have a chip on thie shoulder for whatever reason. Only time I ever got trouble or abuse at a match was in Donegal and again the following year from the same fans in Derry (must have been unlucky just)

Aogan O' Fearghail is from ulster so he must be against us as well!!!

Talk with football on the pitch. During our darkest hours in the '6' the GAA was one of the few shining lights......dont forget that

A very good post.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 12/08/2015 11:11:52    1768618

The whole issue is so ridiculous even Brolly has taken Tir Eoghain's Side

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-explains-why-tiernan-mccanns-ban-is-a-farce/304688

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 11:28:55    1768639

I would blame Marty Duffy for a lot of this. He's seen the incident because he sent Hughes off. Surely a bit more cop on should have been used...

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9189 - 12/08/2015 11:30:55    1768643

Here we go again - Tyrone do something reprehensible and anyone who notices must be a secret partitionist.

If we all hate the north so much, why were Fermanagh so popular this year? Even their blatantly illegal goal was cheered. Why did so many neutrals support Down in the 2010 final? Why did so many support Tyrone in 1995?? Why is Antrim's semi-final win in 1989 still seen as per se a good thing?


Tyrone were perfectly placed to be everyone's second team; they were a non-traditional county that rose to challenge the elite while being hit time and again by off-field tragedy. So why do so many people have a problem with them? Because of how they behave! It's not just Tiernan McCann's hair.


Blessed Sean Cavanagh was mouthing so much I wondered of he was on ecstasy. There was another occasion (McCann again?) where a Tyrone player was dancing with his hands behind his back and shoving his head into Monaghan faces when they tried to take a quick free. It's nothing new. Slagging a young lad about his dead father is as low as it gets. The black card was invented because of Tyrone! They've been at is for years. My own county got the Tyrone treatment in 08 when Dermot Earley was schooling them in midfield so they just took turns fouling him. Dislike of Tyrone's football is t a prejudice, it's a post-judice.


Yes, other teams do awful things (Lee Keegan this year for example) but not with the same frequency. When they do, they're hated (Meath).


Your team is behaving like Jason Ackermanis did when he was marking Peter Canavan. That's why you're unpopular. You've got 3 All-Irelands out of it to keep you warm, don't go looking for the rest of us to enjoy it. It's not us, it's you.

Count_Awesome (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 12/08/2015 11:32:55    1768646

very few if any Tyrone people are condoning what McCann did and I don't believe that within the higher echelons of Croke Park that there is a set agenda of discrimination, but there certainly are people of influence within the media who do have an agenda (RTE for one due to the legitimate stand Mickey Harte and his players took against the disgusting piece on the John Murray show), unfortunately some of the people in Croke Park appear so weak that they are allowing these outside influences to dictate to them/us on which players and incidents deserve action, even if it goes against their/our own rules and guidelines.
When you read comments such as "The fact of the matter is the Ulster teams are dirty and go to injure players." followed up by a few selected incidents I really do despair. We could all sit down and write such lists about any county/province starting with the 2013 semi-final and players being taken out of the game if we so cared.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 12/08/2015 11:36:32    1768650