The latest the Sunday game favourite a tweet from a former overrated county player saying he hopes Kerry knock seven shades of grey out of Tyrone . Bias Sunday game

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 13/08/2015 18:21:31    1769657

yes joe brolly was correct to question cavanaghs character...that is bull and you know it...joe brolly makes things up as he goes along....i am very comfortable with my objectivity..it is you who is spewing the hate here...before you start pontificating on here about morals to others do it about all counties not just tyrone...you have failed to do this..'mccanns was way worse' an example of your startling lack of objectivity in response to a blatant dive by a monaghan player

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/08/2015 20:02:44    1769700

The Hermit.
How comes you want the Tyrone player hung out to dry when as much and worse happened all year He did not get booked Sat , I was at the game but did not see the incident nor have I seen it on TV there is no point in the GAA trying to make an example of McCann , that's not the way the GAA should work.
We all want this stuff and indeed a lot more eradicated out of the game
Am I not true in saying that no player should leave his hand on another player except in challenging or tackling for the ball
Look what is going on off the ball in almost every game and what about hurling and players using the butt on another player ?referees are a problem and indeed umpires, look at last Sat and Justin mcM punched the ball wide and the umpire waves a wide ball and him standing beside it. Now in fairness the linesman rectified it and Mon got a 45
But if I were Tyrone , if the ban is not lifted I would pull out of the championship. In other words , if he is selected by M Hart then T McCann has to play
Look what they ( GAA) done to Louth in 2010 in the Leinster final, the game should have been replayed. More cock ups in Dub vFerm a few weeks ago.
Technology would solve a lot of problems, must be used in my opinion
But treat every county fair and don't single out any particular one.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 13/08/2015 20:20:02    1769713

Calm down fabio, read what I wrote and stop making a complete clown of yourself . I never referred to Brolly speaking about Cavanagh's character . I referred to Brolly calling out Cavanagh for cynically hauling men down in each of three successive matches . Are you objectively speaking , comfortable with what Cavanagh did then and continues to do now ? Brolly was right in relation to Cavanagh's actions. He rightly apologised for his references to Cavanagh's character. Brolly has argued, correctly in my opinion against the CCCC's proposed sanction for Mc Cann's dive. Are you going to dismiss what he says in relation to that ? Oh and the next time you post can you spare us your shrill, sanctimonious, girly hysteria . It serves no purpose .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 13/08/2015 21:22:44    1769770

Sam, I don't care particularly how is hung out to dry, be it a Monaghan player or a Tyrone player the point I'm making is that it has gotten to such a stage that someone has to be made an example of or else it will just keep happening! McCann's was just the one selected because his 'dive' was the most ridiculous and theatrical.

Look I work at third level, and one of the earliest lessons I learned is that sometimes to get a class to do what their supposed to, you've got make an example of them. I had one group that never bothered preparing for their seminars. After two weeks of telling them to cop themselves on, it was still the same story. So on the third week,5 minutes into the class I walked over to the door, opened it and told them all to get the hell out. I never had any bother with them ever again, they got the message.

Another thing is, and James Horan said something similar on radio tonight. Tyrone really don't make things easy on themselves. I mean they don't keep their heads down and as I posted earlier there is a list of high profile incidents over the years involving their sides. Can they surprised they are now singled out? I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 13/08/2015 21:32:55    1769782

Getting tired of this thread, if i say something there will be examples thrown back of players from my county for doing this and that. I think most people are sick of the things some players are at, disappointed that only three matches left before somethings is done but at the same time at least something is been done. Yes should have been a review after munster finals and action taken. When a player or team gets a name it sticks like it or not, we have plenty of examples of that meath in the 90s , paul galvin. Tyrone have name for been cynical no matter what good things happen on the pitch , could take years to get rid of. Kerry have a name of nice football and because they have it will get away with more at momont, but stage may come when that could change for kerry nd they get a name for been cycinal too. Before this incidence i would think most people did not know punishment for offence of diving, after this years championship it may even be increased too black or red. But when you have name as tyrone have at moment sometimes you have too thread extra carefull

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 14/08/2015 09:25:10    1769852

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1769782 Sam, I don't care particularly how is hung out to dry, be it a Monaghan player or a Tyrone player the point I'm making is that it has gotten to such a stage that someone has to be made an example of or else it will just keep happening! McCann's was just the one selected because his 'dive' was the most ridiculous and theatrical.

Look I work at third level, and one of the earliest lessons I learned is that sometimes to get a class to do what their supposed to, you've got make an example of them. I had one group that never bothered preparing for their seminars. After two weeks of telling them to cop themselves on, it was still the same story. So on the third week,5 minutes into the class I walked over to the door, opened it and told them all to get the hell out. I never had any bother with them ever again, they got the message.

Another thing is, and James Horan said something similar on radio tonight. Tyrone really don't make things easy on themselves. I mean they don't keep their heads down and as I posted earlier there is a list of high profile incidents over the years involving their sides. Can they surprised they are now singled out? I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying...

Hermit what you are saying is unacceptable. Tiernan McCann has to be dealt with according to the rules of the association. The rules cannot be manipulated to get the outcome you desire. If the integrity of the association's disciplinary procedures are undermined then we have nothing. Joe Brolly has invoked the principle of statutory interpretation. He has argued that feigning injury is clearly defined under the rules of the association. He has also argued that there are not degrees of feigning injury. He states that feigning injury is a singular, clearly defined act which carries a sanction of a yellow card. Given what McCann did that sanction is lenient in the eyes of most people. However that is the sanction. You are proposing that the rules be manipulated in order to arrive at a sanction you deem to be acceptable. You want McCann to be made an example of in order to deter others from doing the same. In doing so you would undermine the integrity of our disciplinary procedures. It is important that this case is adjudicated as per rule. What is being proposed is wrong. McCann may have shown himself very willing to cheat not once but twice but he must be treated fairly.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 14/08/2015 13:53:25    1770162

13/08/2015 20:20:02 SamOnErrigal
The Hermit. How comes you want the Tyrone player hung out to dry when as much and worse happened all year He did not get booked Sat , I was at the game but did not see the incident nor have I seen it on TV there is no point in the GAA trying to make an example of McCann, that's not the way the GAA should work.
We all want this stuff and indeed a lot more eradicated out of the game
Am I not true in saying that no player should leave his hand on another player except in challenging or tackling for the ball
Look what is going on off the ball in almost every game and what about hurling and players using the butt on another player ?referees are a problem and indeed umpires, look at last Sat and Justin mcM punched the ball wide and the umpire waves a wide ball and him standing beside it. Now in fairness the linesman rectified it and Mon got a 45
But if I were Tyrone, if the ban is not lifted I would pull out of the championship. In other words , if he is selected by M Hart then T McCann has to play
Look what they ( GAA) done to Louth in 2010 in the Leinster final, the game should have been replayed. More cock ups in Dub vFerm a few weeks ago.
Technology would solve a lot of problems, must be used in my opinion
But treat every county fair and don't single out any particular one. What rubbish. McCann may/may not be being made an example of and if that's the case then so be it if it means stuff like what occurred doesn't happen again in big games or players know exactly what punishment they will get for stupidity.
The blame cannot be put on referees because its the players, coaches and the GAA and the rule makers all who are to blame. Tyrone are not stupid and if they were to pull out off this years championship. They should not be allowed compete in next years league or championship for bringing the GAA into disrepute. No county has been singled out.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/08/2015 14:39:14    1770209

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McCann may/may not be being made an example of and if that's the case then so be it if it means stuff like what occurred doesn't happen again in big games or players know exactly what punishment they will get for stupidity.
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McCann's stupidity was in the heat of the moment, no doubt mentally and physically exhausted after emptying the tank for 70+ minutes. Yours, embarrassingly, seems less transient.

Luckily for any of us who have ever made a mistake, your view of justice and fairness isn't practiced in this country. Here, we have a code of acceptable behaviour, with clear sanctions for anyone who breaks that code. We don't scapegoat in order to send a message, because to do so is to be as equally contemptuous of the rules as was the person who broke them in the first place.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 14/08/2015 15:06:14    1770243

It won't be much of an 'up for the match' IF Tyrone beat Kerry and an even worse Sunday Game if RTE are not allowed access to the winning teams banquet!!! All hypothetical I know but a possible reasoning for the behavior of RTE analysts last weekend and other media outlets throughout the week? Taking lectures in sportsmanship from Mr Whelan would not be easy to stomach for any GAA person who watched him in action.

In my opinion it is hard to deny that the actions/mistakes of Tyrone players are scrutinised to a much greater level than any other similar incidents involving players from other counties.

McCann is a young fella who reacted stupidly in the heat of the moment...but would it be better if he had hit Hughes a box? Lets look at his 'crime' for what it is and hope the powers that be see sense before any more ridiculous decisions come from HQ!

mmdtc2011 (Tyrone) - Posts: 125 - 14/08/2015 15:32:43    1770273

Alright so lads what's the solution??

Let him off and leave it obvious to everyone that despite their strong words the GAA is powerless to do anything to stop this carry one.

And we can all be back here next summer complaining when it becomes even more prevalent.


Is just getting a yellow card, like you suggest, going to stop fella's doing this??

God almighty you want it to stop but you don't want to condone a sanction that will eradicate it!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 14/08/2015 15:33:01    1770274

I agree with Madbull - getting tired of this thread.

There does seem to be a lot of double standards. Micky Harte will be revered in years to come and the perceived cynicism of his teams will be forgotten. Just like Sean Boylan now who appears on radio to have a good old natter about the good old days and comes across as everyone's favourite uncle when the teams he sent out were the most cynical of their time.

O'Rourke comes across as holier than thou when I remember him in one game leaving the pitch, going around the nets to the far side of the goal to throw a punch.

Tomas O'Se, in his article, talks about how Paul Finlay is a lucky man that his actions are not being scrutinised while Kieran Hughes was running around getting involved in every scrap. Then there is Rory Beggan who ran 50 yards to get involved in a scrap and lay down when pushed. But there is no talk from the GAA about Monaghan players' actions - is it anything to do with our DG being a Monaghan man?

The actions of O'Mahony, O'Shea, Shields etc are aired but most of their county men issue extenuating circumstances for their behaviour.

We all defend our own, county in this case, and if it were clubs within counties we'd probably be slagging off the county players from other clubs that we defended when supporting our county. Time for everybody to get their own houses in order before complaining about anybody elses.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 14/08/2015 15:34:17    1770275