seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 182

@Thomasclarke

The Kerry drag down against Kildare that RTE portrayed as 'ruthless' was totally different to the 2013 Sean Cavanagh foul on Ciaran McManus.

You are as bad Martin Carney....his name is Conor!

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My bad, I'll be talking about the veteran McNulty brothers in Tyrone's defence next!

Seriously though, how was it different? Both players were dragged down from behind to prevent them scoring. Also, Conor McAliskey was pushed in the back when preparing to bury the ball in the Monaghan net last Saturday - that too is no different than what Sean did, in that it was a foul to deny a goalscoring opportunity. Just because it happened against your county doesn't make it different.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 12/08/2015 15:29:27    1768891

I actually have sympathy for Tyrone. Their round 3 qualifier against tipp they were on the end of a lot of nasty stuff yet there wasn't a thing said about it. Tyrone are being screwed here over McCann. Kerry are one of the nastiest sides around. The most cynical act last summer was Barry John Keane stopping Durcan taking a kick out yet we had Spillane telling us pure football won out. If you look at the facts impartially and without media bias you will see that Kerry are just as bad, if not worse than Tyrone.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2015 15:29:35    1768892

Thomas, Gotmilk thanks for responding to my posts.

You have your opinions and I have mine.

You've mentioned a few things involving Kerry, some I agree with (as I readily admitted no successful county is entirely innocent)
some I feel you are over blowing to counter the list of incidents involving Tyrone teams I highlighted.

My main point remains there has been too many high profile incidents involving Tyrone by now (at all levels) for this to be dismissed as a witch-hunt or something along those lines.

Tyrone go out to play a certain way.

I've no problem if Tyrone fans think that's perfectly fine if it wins you matches.

Just don't come on here pretending its all a conspiracy by the rest of us to get Tyrone.

You want your team to play that way, accept the criticism that will be put at your doorstep.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 12/08/2015 15:32:15    1768895

Great post Thomas Clarke... give it right back to him. No doubt other statisticians will come up with more stuff to expose this whole set up.

McCann behaved VERY BADLY and has probably learned a lesson by now BUT the reality is that many players will push it to the limit and only clear rules with fair and strict enforcement will stop this carry on. However he didnt injure or attempt to injure anyone. Cheating now appears to be a much worse offence than assaulting an opponent.


Like 26 county politics this whole issue is surrounded in hypocrisy and inconsistency. Could Shane Curran be right that the GAA may follow the Church and FF into oblivion? This issue could have very far-reaching implications and will certainly do nothing to strengthen the organisation.

RTE and Independent don't do much business in the north so can say what they want without any financial consequences. That is why there are no outcries against southern teams - they would be hit in the pocket.

Re Marty Duffy and not giving McCann a card. Maybe he didnt see the incident. Wasn't he in the process of dealing with the Monaghan man for an earlier offence? How could he be writing/getting out a card and looking around him at the same time?


Tyrone dont make the rules but like others they will push it to the limit if they get away with it.
Generally the refereeing in football leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps its because the rules are not clear and too complicated. Perhaps the referees need to be paid to improve standards. Maybe make it illegal to put your hand on an opponent under any circumstances. Bring it back to where the shoulder charge is the only allowed contact. It would be much easier to police and open up the game. The card situation is also too complicated and inconsistent application of the rule is widespread.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 12/08/2015 15:42:04    1768899

Hermit you seem to be one of the more rational posters who is on the other side of the fence to me on this one. Can you answer me why McCann is the only player being singled out for this? This year there has been countless incidents of players feigning injury and conning the ref. J O'D, Shields, Lundy, even Beggan in the same game as McCann was guilty of this crap. Yet he is the only one being punished. Some have said it's the straw that broke the camels back but Beggan was on the same camel. Why was he given an 8 week ban when the rules state it is a yellow card offence? To me it does look like someone has a vendetta against Tyrone here. These are legitimate questions that no one has been able to give a proper answer to.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2015 15:45:14    1768900

Very simple Gotmilk . Tyrone are by a distance the worst for cynical play . Mind you Lundy should have been nailed for what he did in the club final . Remember as well that not only was McCann content to see Darren Hughes sent off, he was also prepared a few short minutes later to cynically haul down Drew Wylie and take a black card .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 12/08/2015 16:00:55    1768918

Greengrass Tyrone are by a distance the worst for cynical play .

That statement stands out to me. You are suggesting that because McCann plays for Tyrone and in your opinion they are the worst for cynical play their players should be treated differently when it comes to the interpretation of the law. They may be worse for cynical play than every other county but when they break the same law as other players from different counties they should not be tried differently. Justice is supposed to be blind.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2015 16:07:42    1768927

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 3859

1768918
Very simple Gotmilk . Tyrone are by a distance the worst for cynical play . Mind you Lundy should have been nailed for what he did in the club final . Remember as well that not only was McCann content to see Darren Hughes sent off, he was also prepared a few short minutes later to cynically haul down Drew Wylie and take a black card .
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Greengrass you are entitled to your own opinion on here but please stop making up your own "facts' to support your argument.Darren Hughes was being sent to the line for his second bookable offense having just brought down Colm Cavanagh with a hard tackle.There was probably some verbals being exchanged by him and Mc Cann so Hughes decided to go toward Mc Cann and do what he did.Mc Cann off course acted like an eject then,and here we are now.Saint Darren hit the deck with record speed when Rory Kavanagh pressed an empty boot against him last year.You can see from the footage that he was about to grab his face but then realized it wouldn't work well as his balls are not there,then he proceeded to cup his groin area as he lay stricken on his knees.No suspension for Darren though.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/08/2015 16:15:42    1768932

Gotmilk, I think its a case that the prevalence of 'diving' or feigning injury has become so acute this year that he is being made an example of.

In fairness his incident was so over the top, if they were going to come down hard on this issue he is the logical candidate.

For example you mentioned JOD, I don't think James goes down any easier than any other forward but in marginal calls there is body contact there. You can't say the same in a situation where a fella has his hair tussled.

Look I feel sorry for him because it will take him a long time to live it down and it was probably a heat of the moment reaction, but that doesn't excuse the intent and if it takes a fella being hung out to dry to stop it, so be it.

THIS PLAY ACTING NEEDS TO BE ERADICATED FROM OUR GAME

If it isn't things will end up like they are in the Premiership and that will be the death of Gaelic football, its a physical game!!

Big Stacks

I'm looking forward to the semi final ;)

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 12/08/2015 16:19:50    1768936

gotmilk
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 2343

1768927 Greengrass Tyrone are by a distance the worst for cynical play .

That statement stands out to me. You are suggesting that because McCann plays for Tyrone and in your opinion they are the worst for cynical play their players should be treated differently when it comes to the interpretation of the law. They may be worse for cynical play than every other county but when they break the same law as other players from different counties they should not be tried differently. Justice is supposed to be blind.


Calm down Gotmilk. If you read back over earlier posts you will find that I agree with your assertion that the proposed suspension will not stand up to an appeal. There is a specific sanction for diving and that is what should apply. It is inadequate for his transgression, however it is the rule. It turns my stomach every time I see Tyrone's cynicism because they are the worst offenders in Gaelic football hut McCann should be dealt with according to the rules.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 12/08/2015 16:22:40    1768941

TheHermit, Kerry
Ulster posters on here can jump up and down about ...
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I'm not representing Ulster, just myself.

Looking forward to what should be an entertaining spectacle; I think Kerry will win it fairly handy.



Greengrass, Louth
"No it can't."

Is feidir linn.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 12/08/2015 16:24:12    1768942

But Hermit you haven't answered why those who are just as guilty are not facing similar sanctions. Beggan was at it in the exact same game. How can it be justified?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2015 16:27:29    1768947

Hairnet

I am looking forward to it too.
I am sure we wont be disappointed....

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 12/08/2015 16:31:26    1768951

To be honest if I was a Tyrone supporter I wouldn't give two continentals that everyone hates us, in fact it is all the sweeter when/if you win. Yes Tyrone are cynical but so are all the good teams. To hell with the begrudges I say, and good luck against Kerry

AthboyGael (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 12/08/2015 16:34:44    1768954

gotmilk
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 2345

1768947 But Hermit you haven't answered why those who are just as guilty are not facing similar sanctions. Beggan was at it in the exact same game. How can it be justified?

McCann's was way worse. I'm not sure there wasn't contact in the incident you refer to Gotmilk. You have made your point well about the proposed sanction for McCann. Don't let that get away from the fact that his behaviour both the dive and the black card shortly after that was despicable. It's time to move on from this. Hopefully before the semi final Tyrone will review their behaviour and refrain from engaging in the toxic gamesmanship that has thus far blighted their season at all levels. Should they do so I feel we would have an outstanding contest on our hands.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 12/08/2015 16:38:57    1768956

To be honest if I was a Tyrone supporter I wouldn't give two continentals that everyone hates us, in fact it is all the sweeter when/if you win. Yes Tyrone are cynical but so are all the good teams. To hell with the begrudges I say, and good luck against Kerry

AthboyGael (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 12/08/2015 16:41:33    1768960

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3294


Saint Darren hit the deck with record speed when Rory Kavanagh pressed an empty boot against him last year.You can see from the footage that he was about to grab his face but then realized it wouldn't work well as his balls are not there,then he proceeded to cup his groin area as he lay stricken on his knees.


I can't believe you typed that in the same paragraph you told Greengrass to "please stop making up your own "facts' to support your argument" It gave me a good laugh though, cheers for that

turkeyplucker (UK) - Posts: 137 - 12/08/2015 16:44:38    1768963

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 3861

McCann's was way worse.
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I think you are losing the run of yourself on these matters greengrass.You are essentially saying that because Tiernan Mc Cann has better acting and simulation skills than these other players,that he should face a greater sanction because of it.Ridiculous argument and really shows how you simply want to see a Tyrone player punished simply for being a Tyrone player.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/08/2015 16:50:10    1768970

RTE and Independent don't do much business in the north so can say what they want without any financial consequences. That is why there are no outcries against southern teams - they would be hit in the pocket.

Hilarious Big Sacks. Tin foil hat time. So why did the Irish News print the same ideas? Pretty sure they would sell a few copies in the 6 counties.
It's getting tiresome this whole 'poor us' mentality. The SG have been critical of plenty of players and counties over the years north, south, east and west…. those counties take it on the chin and move on. Maybe if it happens frequently folks should look at what is being said and why?

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 12/08/2015 16:52:56    1768972

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 3861

McCann's was way worse.

In what way? Beggan ran 50 yards to get involved in the melee then went down like a dying swan when pushed & lay there until he saw he wasn't getting any sympathy or any cards issued, then trotted back to his goals.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 12/08/2015 16:54:42    1768974