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1784217 To answer the question here are next year's quarter finalists already...
Kerry v Kildare
Dublin v Cork
Tyrone v Monaghan
Mayo v Donegal
07/09/2015 19:20:2


- - - and here are the semi finalists - - Kerry v Dublin

Tyrone v Donegal

Scallioneater (Carlow) - Posts: 293 - 07/09/2015 19:48:45    1784253

Depending on draw id go
Dubs
Kerry
Cork
Monaghan
Mayo
Galway
Donegal
Meath (hopefully)

That's the quarters

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/09/2015 20:06:46    1784256

Donegal were exhausted by the Qfinals . Anyone that disagree simply need to look at the injuries we had picked . If we were playing Tipp or Sligo every week then we could rest up .

Change the champo and make it fair please .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/09/2015 21:59:17    1784308

Donegal People
Ye have been in two of the last three All Ireland finals and played in a semi final and a quarter final over the past four years. Not bad for a county that was scarcely heard of before 72, when ye won the county's first senior provincial title. Several of the prominent Ulster counties like Tyrone, Armagh, Down Derry and Donegal only started to be serious contenders after winning provincial championships in the fifties or in your case 72. Make no mistake about it take away those competitions and you only support the game in the bigger counties.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 08/09/2015 09:58:39    1784355

Provincials are okay but the timing of the qualifiers has to be sorted out. Teams need to treated equally and given time to recover. Kildare defeated Cork who just had a few days recovery after losing to Kerry. In turn Kerry defeated Kildare who only had a week to prepare. Mayo defeated Donegal. Donegal only had a week to prepare after defeating Galway. Antrim defeated Laois. This was Laois's third game in 3 weeks.
One suggestion is for the provincials to be played earlier especially the Ulster championship. The Munster championship could be played later.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 14/09/2015 09:10:26    1786822

Even if the AI Last 8 is somewhat predictable, and many of the earlier pairings will be mismatches under any system, one might as well keep the traditional prov championships.
For me, the key is that aa have a 'fair shake' at getting to the Last 8, even if navigating thru the lopsided regions.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 15/09/2015 21:38:09    1787970

Oldtourman : the bottom line is that the championship is uneven .

We have to play 3-4 matches just to get to the quarters .

Donegal played and beat Tyrone in May for gods sake .

Tyrone had an advantage in losing the opening match because they got an easy route .

If Donegal had Mayo or Kerry's route , I'd say we would have a much better chance every year .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 16/09/2015 09:40:14    1788008

You could keep the provincials just give them a little less importance.

I wouldn't go for a champions league style competition, too many crap games.

B championship idea is worse not better for weaker counties. I'd propose a knockout All-Ireland along these.

8 A seeds, 4 provincial winners, division 2 winner, 3 next best in league
8 B seeds, any provincial runner up not an A seed, division 3 winner, next best teams from the league ranking.
8 C seeds, division 4 winner, next best teams from league ranking
8 D seeds, 8 remaining counties.

All Ireland round 1 8 C seeds vs 8 D seeds, played the weekend of provincial finals
All Ireland round 2 8 B seeds vs 8 round 1 winners
All Ireland round 3 8 A seeds vs 8 round 2 winners
Quarter-finals

Combination of league and provincial championship result determine seeding. The weakest counties have to earn their right to play against a top side in the All-Ireland series by winning 2 rounds.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 16/09/2015 19:57:49    1788380

To Whammo86 - not bad, and yet another McGuinness/ Kelly variant - I would add that the Rd 1 losers play for the TMC which earns a Seed B the following year.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 19/09/2015 16:09:07    1789289

@Omahant

I don't think my competition is a McGuinness/Kelly variant really because it doesn't separate the All Ireland into 2 tiers. I think that's a terrible idea. I really think a second tier championship is a waste of time. Players aren't stupid, teams don't want to place for consolations prizes. The difference between club intermediate championship and a county one is that at club level your start your season at your grade, if you win your championship you've won at the highest level you could have that year. With the second tier championships you'd be playing in a losers competition, who cares if a team is the best loser?

We can all talk about formats all day long, to be honest though I think a lot of the talk about format change just comes because people like to moan. The current qualifiers are really not that bad, a few fairness problems like Munster/Connacht finalists getting to the last 12 after winning 1 match. The scheduling problems such as Cork playing Kildare straight after losing their replay has improved since they split the qualifiers, even then the Munster final replay was scheduled 2 weeks after the first game, if it'd been the week after then Cork would've had more time to prepare. That's the Munster council's fault not the competition structures.

For me the single biggest problem with the championship is how drawn out it is. We only get a few games a week so if it turns out to be a bad week of football everyone complains. You could keep the current format, get rid of replays, play more games every week and cut down the gaps between rounds and you get a much better season leaving more time for club games at the end.

I think the reason why Rugby and Soccer world cups are exciting even though they are fairly predictable is that the games come thick and fast.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/09/2015 09:38:56    1789420