Im a neutral,and i was in attendance yesterday.I think its interesting now to see when,and if the cats can be beaten.They wont win forever.Although at times,it is hard to hold out much hope of a surprise.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 16:57:09    1767444

economic turndown!!!!

The GAA have some great offers 10Euros a ticket for an adults if 10-15 are going.
2 Euro for a child, with every adult free with 10 kids for the Davin end.....

great value...

Look 40,000 is still a big crowd.
Last night in Newry 5,000 attended the first round of the Down SFC between Burren and Kilcoo - if its good they will come!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 10/08/2015 17:11:56    1767455

witnof
County: Dublin
Posts: 776

1766894 As in the 70s with Football, hurling needs the Dubs to start winning All-Irelands and bring in the crowds!!!!

Only solution....

As one of Dublin Hurlings biggest supporters on here, trust me Dublin winning Liam while it would be a dream come true , not even then would you see regular sell outs , it is and allways will play second fiddle to the football , and in recent timeswe have even seen a decline in numbers there .
Lets see how many fellas go in to support our minors v Tipp in the biggest game for quite a while , unfortunately I suspect our young blues will have only a dedicated few .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/08/2015 17:25:08    1767469

I'll be there Damo.I attend as many Senior hurling semi finals as possible.The minor games are a great warm up.I see the Galway v Kilkenny minor replay is on before Dubs v Tipp.I wasnt at Leinster final,but by some accounts,we were a little unlucky.The cats came with their customary late surge to carry the day.I watched the Kilkenny minors yesterday and they looked good in patches.Hard to predict minor games,but i give us a good chance in beating Tipp.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 17:34:40    1767475

42,000 is still a good attendance. Maybe the neutral fan has lost interested in watching Kilkenny win. Any neutrals (outside of the four semi finalists) I spoke to are more interested in heading to the Tipperary/Galway match as they think Galway can beat Tipp whereas they didn't see Waterford beating Kilkenny.

Looked like a low enough turnout from Kilkenny as they properly thought they'd wait for the final.

The populations of Kilkenny and Waterford counties are about 80,000 and 110,000 respectively which is low enough on a national level.

Waterford city is an economic black spot so heading to Dublin for a match is a big expense if you are skint.

Still though, it was 2/3 the Saturday night attendance and four senior counties were involved, so why wasn't there 80,000 on Saturday night at that rate?

Anyway what's popular isn't necessarily best, its a very subjective thing, you wouldn't catch me at Kodaline or Ed Shearan in a fit but I'd happily head to a tiny venue to see Chic or Modest Mouse live.

I enjoyed watching Waterford Vs Kilkenny over Donegal Vs Galway and Mayo over the last two weekends.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 10/08/2015 17:47:51    1767487

Population of Waterford approx 115,000,KK approx 95,000.Total 210,000 approx as already stated.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 18:03:12    1767499

42 000 is poor by ant standard. There was 62 for Clare v Limerick 2 years ago. That was down to limericks great support I suppose. But 42 is bad...you'd have got more in Thurles

BanTarleton (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 10/08/2015 18:18:59    1767509

It is expensive to go to Croke Park, adult ticket is €40, you/they may feel it is competitive price but as others have already said if it is on TV why bother if your a neutral?

As for the greatest game in the world, that one certainly was not, not only was it expensive but it was also no great shakes.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 10/08/2015 18:25:33    1767514

I think the fact that there wasn't really a sense that Waterford would win, may have contributed to the low attendance. Also, semi's featuring Kilkenny tend to have lower attendances (that's not a dig). For example, if you look at last years semi's:
Tipperary v Cork drew a crowd of 68,728
Kilkenny v Limerick drew a crowd of 45,478

So it all really depends on the counties involved. Cork, Limerick, Wexford would typically bring the biggest crowds I think, the counties in the semi's this year wouldn't be known as stadium packers, although Tipp do okay I think (could be better though).

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 10/08/2015 18:31:44    1767515

KK have ruined hurling, by removing the intrigue and hope from too many counties and supporters. That's why no one shows up. I'm looking forward to the day, when Cody shows up for his annual Sept pilgrimage, gets off the team bus, and there's no opposition team or opposition supporters. They can do their warmup if they like, march alone behind the band, get back on the bus, and go home with their little cup. Cody can then tell the TV people that the bus ride and the band were savage opposition, if he likes. When Henry had 10, we thought the nightmare would end, but now TJ & Ritchie will process their 10, and then in 2020 it'll be the turn of some other JohnJoe or Willie to start collecting their 10. It was grand for awhile, but it's become a crushing bore. As Eddie Brennan said, perhaps Denis 'Rackard' Cody could get his own RTE series presenting Up For The Match annually.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3452 - 10/08/2015 18:48:22    1767534

Jeepers pope,i can feel the despair oozing off your last post.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 18:57:09    1767543

Pope_Benedict
County: Galway

I don't think its fair to say Kilkenyy have ruined anything, they're just playing at an incredibly high standard, that shouldn't be a negative. Kilkenny are the best team, every sport has one. But as for no-one being able to compete with them, that's not true. From 06 through 09 they were untouchable, but since 2010, they've been beaten in the championship by Tipp, Galway, Dublin, and Cork, and were lucky to get past Limerick last year. They're last 2 AI wins went to replays. Are they still the best team? Yes. And that's ok. Are they untouchable? No.

They'll always be there or thereabout, they're a pure hurling county, the Barcelona or NY Yankees of the sport. But they haven't won an U21 title in 7 years, and their U21's got destroyed by Wexford this year. At minor level, they've won 3 titles in the last 10 years, which is a good return, but not dominance. Waterford are a young team, that were missing their best scoring player this year, and still got to a semi-final, and didn't collapse. they're only going to get stronger. Clare will eventually convert that U21 dominance into senior threat, if they get they're management right, I have no doubt. Limerick appear to have some real talent at underage coming through, and if Wexford can convert that U21 dominance in Leinster into any kind of senior success, their future's bright. Tipp will always be a threat, and Galway are always capable.
We should try and enjoy it for what it is.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 10/08/2015 19:01:42    1767549

The provincial hurling championships are more interesting presently.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/08/2015 19:02:40    1767551

Dublin vs. Mayo will be a full house. Kerry vs. Tyrone probably won't break the 45,000 mark. Kerry will bring 12-15,000 and Tyrone about 20-22,000 and then you'll have about 8,000 neutrals.

portavogielad (Down) - Posts: 446 - 12/08/2015 16:16:28    1768933

Good post Marlon.Very respectful & to the point.I agree.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/08/2015 16:29:17    1768950

Thought it was a decent crowd. Sunday will be doing well to hit 50k. Not fair comparing it to 4 counties on a Sat in the football as I can tell you generally more difficult coming to Dublin on a Sat eve than a Sun afternoon for a variety of reasons including family, work, distance, later start etc. I went to recent Donegal Galway football match but more fluid for me to attend on a Sun such as the hurling semi we are in.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 12/08/2015 19:38:28    1769092

Some people you feel sorry for them.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 306 - 12/08/2015 20:32:06    1769125

Pope_Benedict
County: Galway
Posts: 1396

1767534 KK have ruined hurling, by removing the intrigue and hope from too many counties and supporters. That's why no one shows up. I'm looking forward to the day, when Cody shows up for his annual Sept pilgrimage, gets off the team bus, and there's no opposition team or opposition supporters. They can do their warmup if they like, march alone behind the band, get back on the bus, and go home with their little cup. Cody can then tell the TV people that the bus ride and the band were savage opposition, if he likes. When Henry had 10, we thought the nightmare would end, but now TJ & Ritchie will process their 10, and then in 2020 it'll be the turn of some other JohnJoe or Willie to start collecting their 10. It was grand for awhile, but it's become a crushing bore. As Eddie Brennan said, perhaps Denis 'Rackard' Cody could get his own RTE series presenting Up For The Match annually.

Ok. Here's the solution. Kick Kilkenny out of all competitive hurling competitions and ban and discourage the playing of hurling in the county for say ten years. This will nip in the bud any future development of the game. The current crop of county players can tour the country giving exhibition matches, something along the line of what the Harlem Globe Trotters do in basketball.
In the meantime, the young lads in Kilkenny with no hurleys to use, will start messing about with the big ball… and before you can say "did Kilkenny really win the first Leinster Football Championship in 1888?" Sam will be beside the Nore. Be careful what you wish for.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 12/08/2015 21:31:11    1769167

Semple stadium would have been a better venue.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 12/08/2015 21:32:28    1769169

Semple stadium would have been a closer / better venue.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 12/08/2015 21:34:04    1769173