Dont think saffron is being disrespectful to Galway condor.Galway may have beaten KK under Cody more times than Tipp,but its the KK v Tipp finals that will be spoken about in years to come.They do seem to bring out the best in each other.You say Tipp were lucky to win the "important"final.The 5 in-a-row game obviously.Nonsense.2009,2010 & 2014 could have gone either way.Three games for the ages.Also the two counties have played four of the best league finals over last 15 years or so.Kilkenny won all of them by a score,or going to extra time.They were brilliant games,with neither county taking it easy just because it was the "league".Fair play to Galway in beating Kilkenny in a couple of semi finals & Leinster final,as it,s no easy feat,but there is something special about the Tipp v Kilkenny rivalry.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 19:05:48    1767555

You misunderstand me Cue.I don't say that Tipp were lucky to beat Kilkenny in 2010, I say that they were lucky that their one win over Kilkenny this century came on the big day i.e. the All Ireland final.
Its the notion that only Tipp cab make a decent fist of playing Kilkenny that I disagree with.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 10/08/2015 20:27:54    1767624

I understood you perfectly condor.I dont agree that Tipp were lucky the one win they had v KK this century came in a final.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 20:37:34    1767637

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if you don't agree that Kilkenny and Tipp have given us some of the best games of hurling in living memory and instead claim to be bored by the whole thing then you can't be judging it from a hurling point of view but more likely a green eyed Cork man's view that your two greatest hurling rivals are stealing all the limelight ;-)

If you read my post and thought that was the point I was making.....I despair...

My point is - the hurling championship has about 30 games - given that one team possibly two are so far ahead of the rest makes 90% of them almost pointless given that we know who will be in the final, this is what I am bored of..you might be happy that at the end of each season we get a cracking game while the others are pure drivel, but I am not -

Why bring Cork into it? I know Cork are weak. I have no problem admitting it an have over and over again. Tipp/KK will win win another 100 before we win another. They will be mile ahead then and I will still be bored!! I said at that start of this thread that I expect Tipp v KK to be a cracker (if that comes about - Galway have a 50/50 chance) but the last good game we had last year's final- we have a sport that gives us one good game a year - I am glad you find it so fascinating ;)

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 10/08/2015 20:37:38    1767638

I dont think Tipp are the only team who can give Kilkenny a game.Dublin beat them couple years back.Limerick were close last year.Galway nearly did it in 2012 final.I think the winner of Tipp/Galway will give Kilkenny a hard game.Im sure Clare will be strong next year.Cork can only get better.Theres too much doom & gloom on here regards Kilkennys domination.I accept people are slightly bored,but although id like a different winner myself,i really do admire Kilkenny & love watching them play.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 20:43:39    1767646

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I dont think Tipp are the only team who can give Kilkenny a game.Dublin beat them couple years back.Limerick were close last year.Galway nearly did it in 2012 final.I think the winner of Tipp/Galway will give Kilkenny a hard game.Im sure Clare will be strong next year.Cork can only get better.Theres too much doom & gloom on here regards Kilkennys domination.I accept people are slightly bored,but although id like a different winner myself,i really do admire Kilkenny & love watching them play.

Ypu are right. Everybody is trying. Waterford are making a big fist of it. Limerick are doing well under-age. Clare are doing well. Wexford mauled KK in under 21..though few others will admit, even in Cork things are turning slightly..the future is bright..alas our marquee event has few competitors..

You are right that there are teams that can beat KK on their day..of course there are ..KK players are human..however, there is nobdoy that can do it two days in a row..Dublin and Galway came closest with a win/draw situation and both got hammering on the third day just to put them in their box..

We talk about Tipp being their big competitors (and they are) but they also have taken savage hidings from KK..semi final in 2012?

Any hurling person can admire their brilliance and we all do but it doesn't mean we don't have to love the inevitability of the championship these last 10 years or more...that is the point and I don't think it is disrespectful to anybody or is bitter or anything like that..it is not intended to be

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 10/08/2015 21:44:59    1767707

Fair points benny,and i dont think you are being bitter about Kilkennys dominance.Not your style to be fair.Id like other teams to come to the fore and spread the Liam McCarthy around,but until it happens,im trying my best to keep positive about the current situation.Not easy,especially after days like yesterday,which i didnt overly enjoy.Hopefully next Sunday,we will all get the game we desperately crave.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/08/2015 21:53:47    1767719

2013 in Nowlan park will live long in the memories of the majority of Kilkenny people none of ye have a clue about the rivalry

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 306 - 11/08/2015 08:43:58    1767744

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tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 11/08/2015 09:17:49    1767757

Cats praying for Galway I'd say

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 11/08/2015 09:19:23    1767758

Thanks Cue you got there before me. Your right I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Galway I'm well aware they have a couple of token victories in earlier stages of the championship but as somebody else said, the cream always rises to the top and Galway didn't go on to lift Liam after any upsets of Kilkenny. Their record against Tipp in recent year isn't great either and yes that has the potential to change on Sunday and believe me if Galway do get to the final I will be right behind them.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 11/08/2015 10:38:49    1767825

johnwhite,i understand very clearly the rivalry.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 11/08/2015 10:44:01    1767831

The people on here complaining about another KK/Tipp final are unable to appreciate quality hurling.
Last years drawn game is recognized as the greatest final of all time.
2009 was second in line.
Instead of complaining ye should try and learn something from them and pray that Tipp win on Sunday so that ye can have another.
KK V Gal in an AI final would be a non-contest.

Also anyone that would say Tipp were luck to win in 2010, obviously missed the 2009 final

Tipperman (Tipperary) - Posts: 57 - 11/08/2015 10:46:26    1767838

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27? Maybe. But if my memory serves me right, you were saying the same thing around about this time last year.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 11/08/2015 10:53:16    1767847

Tipp are hot favourites for next Sunday and rightly so. They have been so focused all year and won the Munster Final comfortably. They disposed of Galway last year in Thurles but playing in Croke Park might just suit Galway better who will relish the opportunity to get back Tipp for last year. No other team has the work rate of Kilkenny, and I include Tipp in that. Anthony Cunningham has his players playing with a higher work rate than ever before but they still couldn't match Kilkenny in the Leinster Final. Many chose to focus on Galway's mishandling rather than give the Cats credit for forcing those errors through their persistent hassling. They did the same against Waterford and now those people are accepting what it takes to win at this level.

Galway have to work harder than Tipp. I'm not sure they will ever succeed in that facet against Kilkenny but against Tipp, certainly. And that's why I give Galway ever chance of winning next Sunday. Tipp forwards will burn the hell out of opponents if you stand back and admire them. Conversely, when ruffled up and their game plan gets disrupted they tend to drop the heads. Galway also need to take Padrraig Maher on from the off. Don't be afraid to bomb balls down on top of him providing you contest the dropping ball and hound him should he win it. He's very vulnerable when hounded, always forced to head back towards his own goal or drop to the ground.

What Galway need to have learned from the Leinster Final and watching Kilkenny last Sunday is that work rate counts for a lot. Just look at Richie Hogan and Reid, and even Aylward. None of them are waiting for the perfect ball into them but are out there fighting for their own ball. Galway must do the same, including Joe, and none of this get the right ball into Joe.

Looking forward to a Galway Kilkenny Final.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 11/08/2015 11:06:16    1767865

bennybunny

that's fair enough BB, perhaps I misread your intentions with that one. But the way I see it is that Kilkenny and Tipp play hurling to the highest standard, a bit like Barcelona and Real Madrid in Spanish football everyone knows they will be head an shoulders above the rest of the league most seasons but the whole world tunes in when they clash because of the standard of players they have and the unpredictability of what might happen.

Kilkenny have raised the bar so high that I'm sure players from Tipp will admit they probably wouldn't be as good as they are without Kilkenny. If you want an answer to an earlier bit of your post on why Kilkenny don't run around celebrating after Leinster finals etc? why overreact to the almost certainty of victory, that's hardly an honest way of dealing with it. But they certainly celebrated with passion when they got over the line in last years AI final because I'm sure at times they though it was beyond them, they were given a real test an got themselves supercharged for the occasion.

Its the rest of the pack that bores me because we don't see the same intensity from them and that does not mean they don't have the talent. Teams like Clare, Galway, Waterford and Dublin have had great underage success in recent years. We keep waiting for big championship campaigns from these teams but the truth is they just can't cut it when the heat is on against the best.

So who's boring?

two teams who play the highest standard and give us great matches
or
the rest of the pack who can't match that standard and create the divide we now see in hurling

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 11/08/2015 11:07:36    1767866

2013 in Nowlan park will live long in the memories of the majority of Kilkenny people none of ye have a clue about the rivalry

Ah I think we all do lad. I have friends in Tipp (that's not an oxymoron now) and they simply hate Kilkenny. Now I'm a bit like Ban Ki Moon and try to find the middle of the road at all times, but the ferocity & savage intent I saw among Tipp fans in the lead up to the 2010 final was impressive.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 11/08/2015 11:18:23    1767886

You'd be reared on what the Tipp vs Kilkenny rivalry means but it's only hit home over the last 6 years as the counties hadn't played much between 1971 and 2009.

To understand the Tipp vs Kilkenny rivalry all you have to do is watch how most men that are 60 or older behave during those matches.

But anyway this thread should be called Tipperary vs Galway as I believe they have a match this Sunday.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/08/2015 11:19:22    1767887

Slayer,you say some Tipp fans HATE KIlkenny.Fair enough im sure they do.And im sure the opposite is the case too.Some people in every county will HATE some other county.Tipp have their fair share of HATERS as they are bordered by every hurling county,bar Wexford,Tipp & Antrim.Border rivalries are always intense.Personnally i can never HATE any county.Ive attended so many Tipp v KK games over the years and ive met quite a few people from both counties who have nothing but respect for each other.Tipp had the edge upto 1967 & won two more All Ires in 71 & 91 ,but its gone full circle now and Kilkenny have had their era of dominance over Tipp.This has mellowed some of their fans in their hatred of Tipp.In my opinion anyway.Its a good healthy rivalry now.For the 70 minutes they despise each other but thereafter i would hope the HATRED is dropped by most

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 11/08/2015 11:40:43    1767911

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that's fair enough BB, perhaps I misread your intentions with that one. But the way I see it is that Kilkenny and Tipp play hurling to the highest standard, a bit like Barcelona and Real Madrid in Spanish football everyone knows they will be head an shoulders above the rest of the league most seasons but the whole world tunes in when they clash because of the standard of players they have and the unpredictability of what might happen.

Kilkenny have raised the bar so high that I'm sure players from Tipp will admit they probably wouldn't be as good as they are without Kilkenny. If you want an answer to an earlier bit of your post on why Kilkenny don't run around celebrating after Leinster finals etc? why overreact to the almost certainty of victory, that's hardly an honest way of dealing with it. But they certainly celebrated with passion when they got over the line in last years AI final because I'm sure at times they though it was beyond them, they were given a real test an got themselves supercharged for the occasion.

Its the rest of the pack that bores me because we don't see the same intensity from them and that does not mean they don't have the talent. Teams like Clare, Galway, Waterford and Dublin have had great underage success in recent years. We keep waiting for big championship campaigns from these teams but the truth is they just can't cut it when the heat is on against the best.

So who's boring?

two teams who play the highest standard and give us great matches
or
the rest of the pack who can't match that standard and create the divide we now see in hurling

I agree with all of this.

KK are not boring. I never even hinted that they were.

Clare/Limerick/Cork are not boring ether. As you said they have talent. They are not as good at using it.

I think the competition is boring. I am just speaking as one fan/one observer. No more. Not having a go at anyone. I am involved in the GAA by the way (not just a 'hurler on the ditch' so to speak - not a total hurler on the ditch anyway..)

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 11/08/2015 11:55:07    1767930