westisthebest
The footballers had 20 minutes left to cancel out that penalty in the Kerry game but weren't good enough.

This logic is something I take issue with. Apply the same logic to the tour de france for example. It is like giving Froome a 10 minute penalty for no reason, and then saying that he had the chance to make it up and so wasn't good enough to win. But, if it wasn't for the unfair penalisation he would have been good enough to win it. And similarly, if the guy currently 2nd had never benefitted from this unfair penalty to froome, he wouldn't have done enough to win it either.

Did Kerry do enough to win without the ref's helping hand? No. Therefore the whole thing falls down. The defining factor is the ref's decision.

Personally I see the stance taken of theflaker for example, as part of the reason my own county never get over the line. 'Take your beating'. Well actually I wont take it because I don't deserve it. Would froome take that 10 minute penalty without a fight? Of course not.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/08/2015 11:59:31    1763622

Sounds like diversion at best from the shortcomings in the camp this year. Display against Kildare was pathetic.
Worse though when some try to still insist it was a penalty, ref got it wrong and was poor. Happens every week though. Real amateur stuff and seems to be getting worse instead of better.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/08/2015 12:08:36    1763630

Found it a bit of a stretch for Cork to say they had the game won if it wasn't for the penalty but now they are not only saying that but putting themselves I'm the semi final! They had two weeks between the games in killarney and another 7 before the Kildare game! I honestly think corks performance against Kildare is one of the worst I have ever seen with regards effort and I don't buy into the fact they were tired after the kerry games, no way would kerry have lost if they were in that situation! As far as I'm concerned tombs o see has been vindicated in his article about Cork! As for their county board, the less said the better!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 04/08/2015 12:11:30    1763632

TheMaster same thing happened to Derry against Galway. The ref won the game but on another day Derry will get the luck. Its the nature of our game. Im not happy about it but what can be done.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 04/08/2015 12:22:22    1763637

You read that, and you immediately understand what Donal Og is getting at, when he tore them asunder on the Sunday game.

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 04/08/2015 12:24:01    1763639

DoireCityFC, well refs can be called on it and it can be removed from the game in the future.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/08/2015 12:41:01    1763643

Great way to take the heat off the players though.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 04/08/2015 12:41:34    1763645

Ah Doire will give it a rest. Your poor discipline played a large part in ye losing that game. If you cannot see that your as bad as those on the Cork Co. Board who cobbled this nonsense together.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 04/08/2015 13:00:45    1763660

I sat stunned but not shocked by this embarrassing report by the Cork County Board - never before has the failings for so much has been left at the door of one man...

we all- every county could blame the man in black for our failings each yr.... a sending off, missed penalty, missed opportunity...

In 1997 Cavan beat Derry by a point in the USFC Finalwhich went wide... they accepted it.... could have argued it was a draw they could have won the replay etc
In 2000 Cork played Derry in a minor All-MFC semi final ... their star player got 2 yellows but didn't go off as he didn't get a red... it was the referee's fault in the eyes of the Cork County Board and wouldn't offera replay after their narrow win.......

most famous was 1995 and the Canavan point which was or wsan't or the failure of Charlie Redmond to walk the line even though he was sent off, staying on the field even and contribution to a Dublin score
Kerry famous free against Dublinn when Paddy Cullen was out of goal... would it be allowed today...

To blame the referee is in essence deflecting away from ones own failings.... the referee made massive call in the Munster Final.... that had a major imapct on the game.... but there wasa replay and a backdoor game.....
This year Meath had O'Reilly backcarded which had a massive outcome on the game and the championship..... while the Cork referee in the Derry -Galway game was very poor and contributed to their demise, but Derry like Meath were poor and in essence Kildare deserved to beat Cork..

At our next County Board meeting - we will comment on Armagh's demise against Galway... we were brutal, our tactics awful but i can't balme the referee!!!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 04/08/2015 13:40:00    1763701

Oh good the ref thing again, same as last year, change the record. Great comparison as well,???????

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 04/08/2015 13:45:08    1763705

Lads what training do reffs get? I haven't a clue to be honest, are they told to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking players ?
Look I said in other threads that it wasn't a penalty but when I saw it in real time I tought it was stonewall peno, the reff made a mistake it was unfortunate but we have been on the wrong end of bad calls against us in the past and no doubt we'll have more in the future but it's up to our players to put the games beyond the control of the reff, try and put up high scores like Dublin did on Sunday. Then the reff can't have a negitive influence on the game, I mean cork scored a goal in the drawn game that shouldn't have been aloud coz the cork lad took about 10/11 steps so it was evened out on the day.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/08/2015 13:47:55    1763708

@DoireCityFC - Would you ever quit whinging about that game? Derry should have been down to 14 men for the last 15 mins. Eoin Bradley got away with kicking Micheal Lundy. Funny how I don't see the likes of you complaining about that refereeing mistake.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 861 - 04/08/2015 14:06:39    1763723

This Statement represents the views of about 3 people within the Cork Co Board and should be taken as such.
An embarrassment. Cork should have won the game regardless of the penalty decision and the replay offered them another chance if they were good enough.

It is the likes of the people behind this Statement that is bringing Cork to where they are at present.

Cornerback1977 (Cork) - Posts: 67 - 04/08/2015 14:09:41    1763728

KingdomBoy1
County: Kerry
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1763708
Lads what training do reffs get? I haven't a clue to be honest, are they told to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking players ?
Look I said in other threads that it wasn't a penalty but when I saw it in real time I tought it was stonewall peno, the reff made a mistake it was unfortunate but we have been on the wrong end of bad calls against us in the past and no doubt we'll have more in the future but it's up to our players to put the games beyond the control of the reff, try and put up high scores like Dublin did on Sunday. Then the reff can't have a negitive influence on the game, I mean cork scored a goal in the drawn game that shouldn't have been aloud coz the cork lad took about 10/11 steps so it was evened out on the day.


+1. It wasn't as if it was a crazy decision, in real time looked like a foul by the defender.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 04/08/2015 14:19:55    1763737

What a ridiculous statement from the Cork county board! To blame a refereeing decision for robbing you of a place in the semis which is a leap of two games is laughable. Cork had the same chance to beat Kerry the second day as the first day and you weren't good enough to beat Kildare on the night. The logic of your argument is that you were only primed for one game and when it didn't go your way you just couldn't rise for another one. That shows a pretty big mental problem if that's really the case. Jasus that must mean when Thomas O'Connor's perfectly good goal was disallowed in the All Ireland quarter final in 2011 it must have definitely robbed us of Sam!! I didn't think of it that way!! I'm off to start a crusade:)!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/08/2015 14:47:48    1763755

Really embarrassing stuff. IF Cork had not conceded a penalty, IF Cork had actually won the match with 20 minutes to go, IF Saturday night in Killarney had been sunny, IF we had had a lovely extra week to feel sorry for ourselves and lick our wounds (7 days oh the injustice...not) IF our quarterfinal opponents had just rolled over for us to tickle their bellies...

How about IF the Cork county board had actually given a sugar about Cork intercounty success for the past few decades instead of their own power and prestige, IF the Cork county board treated Gaelic football equal to hurling, IF the Cork county board prioritised intercounty over club fixtures, IF the Cork county board had appointed the correct manager two years ago, IF the team had actually picked themselves up and brought it again for the following two matches like teams with spirit do.

But I don't really blame the team. With bad generals (not really blaming Cuthbert either, the generals are the CCB) the bravest soldiers eventually get demoralised but still no excuses like!! Excuses are for losers!!

findra (Cork) - Posts: 40 - 04/08/2015 14:52:44    1763760

I think its fair to say the statement is poor form but the only thing I will say is this.I feel they were saying everyone is on cuthberts case where as if these decisions ie penalty had gone our way then we would have poss got fermanagh and would have had a good chance of been in semi,kerry beat in killarney something we haven't done for a while and a munster in the bag its a poor choice of wording but while I don't agree with it I see where there coming with that statement.for what its worth on my part the penalty sometimes you get them sometimes not we weren't good enough in the end you move on

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 351 - 04/08/2015 14:53:36    1763762

TheFlaker
+1. It wasn't as if it was a crazy decision, in real time looked like a foul by the defender

No it didn't...

Your view is completely short-sighted. These things need to be highlighted fully. If it is happening over and over, then maybe a rule change is required. If we ignore that over and over then we never get that rule change and the game continues with this problem that could be fixed. For example, maybe all penalty decisions could be finalised by a video ref. The amount of time taken with arguing the point with the ref afterwards as it stands would allow it to be checked 5 times over.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 04/08/2015 15:00:42    1763770

Hey it's not just Tomás O'Connor's goal, remember Bernard Brogan's free earlier that year with the last kick of the game?

And even better - Benny Coulter hanging around the square long enough to erect some kind of shack and live there in the 2010 semi-final??

And don't get me started on Joyce's 7-step goal in 1998....

Count_Awesome (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 04/08/2015 15:01:27    1763772

Cork had a chance to go 2pts up in the 71st min of the drawn game
after being awarded a devvious 45 but fluffed it

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 04/08/2015 15:13:50    1763784