well the sheep men beat longford by 19 pts so things can't be all bad:)

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 05/08/2015 12:45:45    1764281

Kildare's defeat equalled the worst ever in championship football since 1884.....this isn't just losing a game? There is something not right here.

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 05/08/2015 13:26:40    1764341

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1764341 Kildare's defeat equalled the worst ever in championship football since 1884.....this isn't just losing a game? There is something not right here.

And in the win vs longford we put up a bigger tally than a Kildare side ever did before in championship.

Games are far higher scoring these days and also they are LONGER by 10 mins so any of those stats have a big massive asterix beside them.

Kildare have huge problems but I could think of 15-20 counties right off the bat that have bigger ones.

Hidings like Kildare suffered are not just a Kildare problem they are a problem for 80% of counties.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/08/2015 13:45:38    1764357

you could go back to 1884 or simply go back 2 months when Dublin beat Longford by the same amount.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 05/08/2015 13:48:36    1764361

Your right,there is something not right. But then it's not right for the 24 other counties who didn't even make the quarter finals! At least we get that far most years of late.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/08/2015 14:00:07    1764371

Well put it this way switec, if anyone from Kildare came on this site Monday morning and had a right cut at how they performed on Sunday I wouldn't have been surprised. I would have understood. Of course its not going to achieve anything, I never said it would, but I was expecting people to be hurting after that game and to be mad about it. You don't look at it that way, you gave your reasons live and let live, not professional, the players owe nobody anything, so what if we lose it doesn't mean anything in the long run. The language that you use is apathetic though, you make it sound as if nothing can be done within Kildare GAA to get them competing again.
But let me ask you, when Mayo got hammered in 04 and 06 or when Donegal found themselves at the end of a drubbing against Cork in 2009 do you think that both teams said to themselves "ah well what can you do"? Both those teams took some hard truths about how they were preparing and working to achieve better things and now look where they are. Jim McGuinness points out in his article this week how he and the Donegal county board set about giving themselves a better chance to be competitive. Mayo have been competing consistently at the business end of the championship for some time and in my mind have been incredibly unlucky not to have an all-ireland under their belt by now.
Kieran McGeeney did something similar when he took the reigns in Kildare. Under him they were so close to success and only for some bad luck in both 2010 / 2011 they could have found themselves in all-ireland finals. Fast forward only 4 years and you can't argue that they have regressed. Drastically. Yes retirements have played a big factor here but you don't necessarily have to have the best players in every position to be competitive. You can look at Donegal for example and see that although they have some fantastic talent their greatest strength is their game plan and their tactics. You only have to look at how many of the team that started in that game against Cork in 2009 are still playing for Donegal today. Who would have thought after that game that they would have started beating the top teams and win an All Ireland with more or less the same bunch of players.
I seriously doubt that all this came about from these teams shrugging their shoulders and saying ah well, there's always next year.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 06/08/2015 08:28:58    1764779

Keithlemon everything you just wrote can be applied to Meath,Cork,Galway,Armagh,etc not to mention the Dublin hurling team, the Clare hurling team and countless more. What is everyone meant to do? Go out and riot? I think it's fairly clear most Kildare fans are not happy with what has gone on nor with the management. If you have been reading the Kildare forum since the start of the league you would easily see that. And you still didn't answer my question, which county are you from?!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2015 10:00:10    1764816

it's only a game Keith, no need to get so riled up. The Kildare lads give their all and they have bad days and good days. I'm not as invested in it as other Kildare fans I guess, I'm delighted when they win but don't get into a state when they lose. Plenty more to occupy my mind. We're a second tier team, we do alright but lack the quality to win trophies and I don't think there is much appetite in the county for a blanket defence approach as a way of bridging the gap to bigger teams.
We can beat most counties in leinster -took 3 of them this year, are usually good for a qualifier run, see plenty of croke park and are no strangers to a QF day out. This defeat will blow over, obyrne cup will roll round again and out we'll go for another year--this is supporting your team as I know it. Maybe they do it differently in 'county australia'but if I found myself angry and wanting to have a cut off players from the stands or on forums, I reckon I'd go follow another sport as I wouldn't be enjoying this one anymore.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 06/08/2015 10:18:01    1764838

The only people to blame for this shambolic display is the management and the players. Its very rare you see a team drop their heads and accept a beating. This result has nothing to do with the state of leinster, its to do with the squad of bottlers

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 06/08/2015 10:34:02    1764854

Fair enough switec, I take your points on a lot of this and a lot of what I argue is just down to the fact that I simply hate seeing good teams slip away. Leinster football used to be the best provincial contest now it's a lop sided one. I know this isn't all down to Kildare but I felt that they, out of all the other Leinster teams, had the resources and talent to push on from where they were 4 or 5 years ago.

Kildare73 - what difference would the county I'm from make to the point of this thread? If I told you, you would simply use it to deflect the argument i.e. if I was from Kerry you'd say well don't you have it good, while if I was from Clare you'd say don't be moaning about Kildare when you have your own problems. I was simply looking for debate on the beating Kildare took at the weekend and how Kildare fans feel about it.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 06/08/2015 10:40:49    1764860

keith, your point about us slipping away, well, truth of the matter is, while we can be competitive in leinster, it is very rare that we ever beat Dublin, twice in 40 years is the reality. When Meath faded, we never really took over as Dublin's main rivals as you have to beat them to be considered a rival. Leinster really needs Meath to become a force again, I think Kildare are most likely to win a leinster if meath take out the dubs in an earlier round. We've had plenty of cracks at them but just didn't get it done.

I also think we cannot underestimate the fact that the big 3 have just unearthed some serious footballers and the gap has widened significantly. Kildare were a little unfortunate to have to face Dublin and Kerry. I don't think there is any big gap between ourselves and the likes of meath, down, derry, galways, Roscommon, Armagh and even Cork. So I don't think we will stop being competitive against the bulk of the teams, we'll just remain a good distance off the top 3 and we're in good company there as 25 counties are a good distance off the top 3.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 06/08/2015 11:09:35    1764899

We are the ONLY team this year to face both Dublin and Kerry in the same championship season so our shortcomings are magnified to the world to see. I still hold 25 or so counties would have suffered in exactly the same way. We aren't claiming top tier status, we are heading to division 3! It's a fair question to ask where you are from considering the way you are having a cut of Kildare. Does your own county not need your attention?! At least the rest of us declare and stand by our county in good times and in bad.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2015 12:31:14    1764980

I just spotted this (where's the Kildare rant) , IMV rant not necessary, the game is over, no lives lost, life goes on, it's only a game of football, more importantly the sun is shining to day in every sense of the word, well almost.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 07/08/2015 11:21:33    1765525

Maybe Kidare should convert to hurling only and give Kilkenny a run for their money. Only a few teams in hurling.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 10/08/2015 14:01:18    1767271