After some of the other rantings and ravings about county's poor performances over the summer from pundits/posters on this site, I'm amazed that at this stage, not to mention after their victory over Cork, that there is no rant/venting/out pouring from any Kildare posters after that pathetic display yesterday.
Is this purely down to the sheer lack of expectation since the start of the championship? Do Kildare people care? There's been a distinct lack of positivity / belief in Kildare throughout the championship. Even with that terrific victory last weekend you never got the impression that Kildare posters on the site cared their was a distinct sense of apathy about their own team. If anything they spend most of their time talking about Dublin (strangely enough).
There was no comparison to how the two losing sets of supporters or how their teams behaved/performed yesterday. Fermanagh never dropped their heads, they were down by 10 points at half time and gave it all they got regardless of how the match finished. Fermanagh could leave with their heads held high knowing they gave as good an account of themselves as they could.
If Kildare posters don't want a rant, well let me do one for you.
Not taking anything away from Kerry's awesome ability, but Kildare were really shocking. If I was a Kildare supporter I would be screaming blue murder. I would be expecting those involved in Kildare GAA to take a serious look at themselves and ask how on earth did we get embarrassed at Croke Park twice this year. To concede 7 goals, regardless of the opposition, is not good enough at any level. Questions need to be asked about what preparation was done for that game, what was the defensive plan (if any) was worked on. Kildare have been relegated 2 seasons in a row, only a few years ago they were pushing Dublin in Leinster and nearly making it to All-Ireland finals. In such a short space of time they've become the whipping boys of the GAA world. This is a county who have a huge playing population and big resources not to mention a serious underage set up that over the last few years have embarrassed their senior counter parts.
I for one don't like blaming managers for everything but Jason Ryan has got to go. It's not working for him, you got to look at Kildares downfall and how it coincides with his tenure. There was no plan B yesterday, no counter to Kerry's game plan of simply kicking long ball in, no willingness to change. Whatever about the players not performing, there was no invigoration or passion on the sideline to lift the team after the first goal conceded.
I think too many people in GAA circles like to bury their head in the sand when it comes to dealing with their own problems. Kildare over the past couple of years have been too quick to shake their heads, shrug their shoulders and say ah well what can you do. It's time to get ruthless, stop making excuses and start to get a bit of pride back in the jersey.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/08/2015 08:44:23    1762834

what a nonsense post! We got hammered, it happens. How did ' Australia' do, I don't recall seeing them in the qualifier draw! The game has changed. The gap between the top 3 and the rest is huge. Hidings have come into the championship there will be so many next year too that this one will be forgotten. It was a very bad day but we made a QF, how did Derry, Down, Roscommon and others positioned above us in the league do. What does this 'take a long hard look at ourselves' mean exactly --then do what, somehow 'become' better footballers? How does that happen? It's a game, a past time. Players give up their time and put serious effort in. Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. This need to 'investigate what happened' is knee jerk over reaction. This isn't the premiership!

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 03/08/2015 09:29:43    1762847

The GAA if they want to persist with qualifiers have to ensure teams go into games with an equal amount of preparation/ time.. Kerry had two weeks to prepare and Kildare had one week. Likewise Cork last week had only a week to prepare after losing the Munster final.
Losing provincial finalists should play each other in the 4th qualifier round ensuring they don't run into teams that have momentum behind them.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 03/08/2015 10:37:38    1762903

switec - all you did there was deflect away from the points I'm making. What do the other counties you mention or Australia have to do with the state that Kildare find themselves in? Yes there's a gap building between some of the top counties and the rest but that's not stopping other counties from putting it up to them. If Kerry/Mayo/Dublin got trounced the way Kildare did, there would be uproar about it, so why shouldn't Kildare get a bit of flack? Judging by your response, in particular 'hidings happen', I think its safe to assume you're one of the shrug your shoulders and just accept it crowd.
Let me ask you directly then, do you think Jason Ryan is doing a good job? Did you think the players out there yesterday played good enough for Kildare? Do you think Kildare will do better next year?

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/08/2015 10:44:20    1762904

keithlemon

I suppose I am a 'shrug my shoulders' guy-- I tend not to get angry, what would that achieve- I am not paying the payers so am not owed an explanation, they work hard and I don't think they owe me anything. They give up their time to play an amateur game so I have no interest in slating them. They had a very hard day against a the all-Ireland champions who contain an outstanding midfield, the footballer of the year and the finest player to ever play the game. I think Ryan has got us to a QF and beat a big team on the way , and that is impressive considering we were relegated to div 3 just a few months ago. This is the panel of players we have, they are more or less the best available in the county and 6 quarter finals in 8 years is not a dire return and many other counties are nowhere near that. What manager will come in and transform us? And would this 'amazing manager' be attracted to a div 3 team who have just lost by a record score in croke park. I may shrug my shoulders, what do you do? Put your foot down and refuse to accept it? How does that work? DO you type harder and faster on your keyboard and feel angry when you do it--does this change things, improve the situation?

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 03/08/2015 10:57:17    1762912

Very valid point there

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 03/08/2015 11:50:16    1762970

Maybe I'm just very different to how I'd take a defeat by 20+ points to yourself, I just find it incredibly surprising that Kildare posters seem to accept this fate so readily.

I'm not saying that another manager could come in and make Kildare all-ireland winners overnight, but I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that another manager wouldn't have let Kildare get humiliated twice at Croke Park this year. I don't know about you but after Kerry started getting a lot of joy from the high ball into the full forward line, if I was manager, I'd might want to drop a player back to help out. The zonal marking wasn't working which became pretty obvious after only a few minutes. Do you not think that Ryan just maybe got his tactics appalling wrong in that regard? It doesn't take a genius to know that it needed fixing.

From my own point of view, I think there is great potential in Kildare, their underage progress gives them something to build on. But they don't seem to learn from their own mistakes. The O'Dwyer Kildare team had it's strengths but it also had its weaknesses, most notably their tally of wides and bad kicking. Here we are nearly 20 years later and it's still there. On the Sunday game last night they spoke about how in Kerry kids are learning to play with the foot pass from an early age which is why they are so good at it. So what are they training in Kildare at that age? Why are we still seeing them produce players who kick so badly.

Look, if Kildare fans think what they got this year was good enough for them then so be it. I just think it's very disappointing that they're willing to accept it. Of course no one goes out to lose but to drop the heads and give up completely with 25 minutes to go shows a real lack of preparation and character.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/08/2015 11:54:00    1762973

"I just find it incredibly surprising that Kildare posters seem to accept this fate so readily."

"Look, if Kildare fans think what they got this year was good enough for them then so be it. I just think it's very disappointing that they're willing to accept it."



Er, what do you suggest we do about it? And what would YOU do about it? You sound like a man with a plan. Do tell. I am sure it involves lots of practical ways to improve how we play and a clear plan about how to go about this in real life, out there on the training ground with the Kildare footballers. Please elaborate.

Otherwise, other posters might confuse you with a guy who just types words into an online forum. But that can't be right, that would make you kinda the same as the rest of us. Surely this ain't the case?

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 03/08/2015 12:03:38    1762983

The qualifier system is unfair on any team who are expectated to field within 7 days. That's no excuse for what happend yesterday but it does explain it though.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 03/08/2015 12:16:37    1762991

Keithlemon. What exactly to you expect the kildare fans to do....? Spend the last day getting the knife good and deep into the players backs after they dedicated the last 9 months of their lives to the cause, and are fully willing to do the same again in a few months time?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1650 - 03/08/2015 12:57:35    1763035

The FA cup in britain contains all teams from all lower divisions. It is the same as the GAA all ireland series in that regard. To expect division 2 and 3 teams, never mind division 4 teams to get to the final, and win it is walter mitty stuff. Kildare are division 2, will be division 3 next year. They had a bad year, and there is little or no consolation that you can give them. I would say that they can improve, but I dont think too many will be thinking about next year at the moment.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 03/08/2015 13:20:02    1763051

CastleBravo - I would first expect them to get angry at least. I'm surprised that they're not. Instead there is an acceptance that yesterdays performance is good enough for them. Yes, I know, anger doesn't achieve anything but the first thing you got to do when you see something like that happen is get mad.
My point is, any fan from any of the other big counties, after a performance like yesterday, would be venting right now ala Donal Og & Cork last week, Dublin fans after 09 or Kerry fans after 03. I just don't understand why that basic emotion isn't there for Kildare fans today.

Switec - I'm a keyboard warrior like the rest of the people on here, I don't state otherwise. I'm simply stating that whatever Kildare are doing in training or the game plan employed (if any) didn't work. A case of fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
Would shooting practice, employing sweepers and playing a defensive first system not be something that any inter county manager should be able to develop in his team in the short term? Westmeath kept Dublin at bay for sometime, changing their game plan within 2 weeks. Fermanagh, did likewise and shot some wonderful scores yesterday. That wasn't an accident, that's both managers trying to get the best out of their teams regardless of the opposition.
I'll accept the fact that the 7 day turnaround was always going to be a big ask and especially playing the All-Ireland champions, but surely any team making the quarter finals shouldn't be getting beaten by a cricket score like that

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/08/2015 15:20:07    1763143

There is no rant because the defeat was so comprehensive there is nothing to say. Believe me Kildare supporters do care about their football and their county team, but I think we are all ranted out at this stage, It has all been said before with our two consecutive relegations, some of our poor performances in the league and the hammering to Dublin, credit to the lads on a couple of terrific performances otherwise. Well done Kerry on a terrific display, the difference in class was numbing, Kildare would have had to set up like Donegal or Tyrone to have a chance, we didn't and haven't done so, I think a change of management is required to implement that, Its not the game that I as a supporter like to see, but if teams like Kildare wish to compete in the modern era we will have to accept that

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 03/08/2015 15:26:27    1763151

I'm not the only one who thinks this, Eugene McGee puts it better than I do:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-kildare-must-come-out-and-explain-this-pitiful-surrender-31422434.html

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/08/2015 16:38:08    1763191

keith, give over will ya. We lost a game of football, nobody died. We're all in work today and we'll all be having a few pints on Friday night--- and we'll all be back for the obyrne cup in January--that's the way of it last I checked.

If your team ships a heavy beating , do you get angry, quit the GAA and support cricket instead!

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 03/08/2015 16:57:51    1763207

Listen

Kildare were an embarrassment yesterday

No more Duvlin have the advantage excuses...

They showed up Leinster football

They might as well stayed home yesterday...

Their minor team wouldn't have shifted 7 goals...

Deplorable stuff

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20604 - 03/08/2015 17:21:25    1763224

This is what comes to mind when I think of the ranting the likes of ye want to see

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/meath-keeper-paddy-orourke-threatened-to-be-knifed-as-he-suffers-online-abuse-31335939.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcgrath-abuse-hurt-tipp-players-219848.html

As far as I'm concerned, it sounds like the old school "bullying isn't a problem, it will only make them tougher" approach.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1650 - 03/08/2015 18:06:40    1763257

I think most fans are too embarrassed and shell shocked at moment to even rant !

JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 03/08/2015 18:43:04    1763274

The O.P is dead right. It is not acceptable to concede 7 goals in 35 minutes. You don't need to be Gooch Cooper or Diarmuid Connolly to be able to put a hand in and tackle players. Kildare had no black cards or booking yesterday. Our midfielders stood back and admired David Moran. Our backs jogged alongside Kerry forwards as if they were filming them. We played with one forward, yet there was acres of space for Kerry to run through. When we had the ball we hand passed it aimlessly and were embarrassing to watch. The players were not prepared for championship football. I know they were tired from last week but that is no excuse for a complete surrender. Make no mistake, what happened yesterday has completely destroyed Kildare football and it will take years to recover. How are we supposed to get young lads to commit when all they have to look forward to is division 3 football and a hammering in the championship? If we can't get some sort of coaching structure in place for next year, I would rather the county board pull out of the SFC and put the money into hurling and underage football rather than having the embarrassment of another summer like this one.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 03/08/2015 19:03:08    1763288

Not the time to put the boot in , so I wont , Fairplay to the lads and lasses that STAYED behind and caught the second game , they were in upper tier of Cusack that took courage .
Equally it takes no an courage whatsoever to hit a keyboard and denouce coaches and players , original poster is calling for a public hanging , while Kildare football is damaged by result and many many proud people Im sure are hurting its time for cool heads .
If we are not carefull we will have the same scenario as English football with a manager merry go round every year , for gods sake give coaches time .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 03/08/2015 19:08:36    1763293