Mayo were robbed last year,though they should have held out for a win in the drawn game,should have shut up shop when Donaghy came on,
Kerry seem to get all the 50/50 decisions and some very dodgy calls eg the 'penalty' against Cork. Dublin also get a lot of easy frees in Croker,
we need better refereeing, a video ref to consult on the big calls,and more respect shown to the referee as they do in rugby.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 30/07/2015 14:28:19    1761244

Llaw_Gyffes....you are referring to Louth/Meath not Mayo or Cork however this is a good example.

Go back to that Leinster Final and watch the last 10/15 minutes, Louth had the match won but turned more and more defensive and let Meath come onto them and haul back the lead. This is the real reason why Louth lost. The last minute call was a bad one but was not the key turning point in the match!

Even just before that Louth should had cleared out the ball but.......the rest is history.

Louth panicked and that is the reason they lost, just lack of experience on the big day.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 30/07/2015 14:40:48    1761250

i dont really see where mayo were robbed...lots of fouls on donaghy were ignored but people only focus on the ones that were given...mayo got destroyed by him at end of day and deserved to lose...they werent good enough

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/07/2015 14:52:15    1761262

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1761250
Llaw_Gyffes....you are referring to Louth/Meath not Mayo or Cork however this is a good example.

Go back to that Leinster Final and watch the last 10/15 minutes, Louth had the match won but turned more and more defensive and let Meath come onto them and haul back the lead. This is the real reason why Louth lost. The last minute call was a bad one but was not the key turning point in the match!

Even just before that Louth should had cleared out the ball but.......the rest is history.

Louth panicked and that is the reason they lost, just lack of experience on the big day.

You could say that Meath only had to turn up to win. Louth were 4/1 to win that day and at the start of the campaign they were 66/1 to win Leinster. At half-time Meath were winning 0-08 points to 0-05. Louth had scored the first four points of the second half to be leading 0-09 points to 0-08 and it took Meath 17 mins to score in the second half. Louth had three goal opportunities in the first half, Brian White missed a few frees which he would normally score and Colm Judge got send off near the end. Louth did indeed panic which is natural but you cannot say that is the reason that they lost the match. The buck stops with Martin Sludden and the GAA. They just put their heads in the sand.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 30/07/2015 15:01:50    1761270

Ollie...when you say the GAA put their heads in the sand what did you expect them to do???

There was no way they could order a reply, as you can imagine the precedent it set.

So what specific action could they take.

P.S. I remember on the day sitting their saying to myself Louth are letting this slip and when that long ball went in......as A Dub I was not exactly looking for a Meath win!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 30/07/2015 15:38:09    1761285

On the mayo kerry last year how did o shea stay on the field he already had a yellow card then he dragged down one of the mayo lads coming through, that was shocking and in a massive game.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 705 - 30/07/2015 15:58:26    1761292

The GAA kept quiet and let Meath take the blame. I was thinking the same myself. I could sense that Meath would snatch victory from defeat.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 30/07/2015 16:00:56    1761294

The fact that the example I gave bore a resemblance to an actual game was purely coincidental.The point I was trying to make (badly obviously)was that a team may be good enough to beat the opposition but not the opposition and the referee. I know in most games when a decision goes against you near the end you focus on that decision and forget about earlier ones which might have gone in your favour.Referees will make mistakes and that is understandable, but in a game where all the mistakes favour one side then the referee has an inordinate influence on the outcome, thus making it very difficult for the other team to win.The mantra that the best team always wins is in some cases patently untrue. It's a thankless job being a referee and it's little wonder a bad display is mainly ignored by the authorities as there is hardly a queue of top class referee waiting to step in. On the other hand you get the odd display so inept it is embarrassing and on such occasions disciplinary action is warranted but rarely occurs.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 30/07/2015 16:24:05    1761308

What are the chances that Paudie Hughes gets another big game this year??

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 30/07/2015 16:50:11    1761323

The ref was shocking in the Derry galway game this year. Very poor performance and i genuinely think he cost Derry that game.

Yourjoking are you sure that wasn't enright??

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/07/2015 16:55:40    1761326

I'd say hughes will definitely get another game this summer. The gaa never stand a referee down even if he makes big mistakes!

Molaise (Fermanagh) - Posts: 96 - 30/07/2015 17:05:12    1761330

Hughes is not up to it at all - its actually unfair to put him back in this year as the pressure on him will be immense.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 30/07/2015 17:18:04    1761335

Gotmilk in fairness you have to admit only for the ref Fermanagh would not have beaten Roscommon, the amount of frees and a penalty he gave to yee was disgraceful. While i am well aware we stopped playing and i wish Fermanagh well as the are a county i like to see doing well but only for the referee there would have been a different result. a fair shoulder is not a red card by the way. It seems once you get up to the top level of refereeing you are there for life

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/07/2015 18:17:22    1761368

Yes gotmilk cost us a season. Even the cork lads admit he shouldn't ref a club game

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 30/07/2015 18:23:23    1761372

http://www.donniephair.com/july-2015-fermanagh/h4EF8949B?fb_action_ids=10205795251192076&fb_action_types=og.likes#h4ef84b49 Ros 1 look at the photo that is not a fair shoulder? That is a shoulder straight into the front of a man not expecting it. He knocked him out for christs sake. Fermanagh nearly beat themselves that day. Look at the amount of wides they kicked.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/07/2015 20:22:22    1761426

The GAA should help referees with a couple of things straight away. There is no rule AFAIK that time should be added for substitutions. In a close game the team leading makes subs to waste time. If time was added for subs this would be less effective. Also, linesmen should be able to signal fouls to referees. Simple things I think would help.

Armaghball (Armagh) - Posts: 96 - 30/07/2015 20:28:02    1761430

Gotmilk if someone runs in to you is that your fault? no it is not, it was 2 men going for the ball, indeed if memory serves me correct he carried on playing after a minute. Fermanagh did miss a lot you are correct but most of there misses were extremely soft frees given to them from far out distances. Yee would not have won that game only for the ref decisions indeed a Fermanagh player should have got a black card just before the black card the ref gave but i don't see you mention that.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/07/2015 20:58:29    1761448

Ros please explain how he ran into him? Jesus even the photo shows him with clobbering him. It was right in front of me, straight red every day of the week. http://www.donniephair.com/july-2015-fermanagh/h4EF84B49?fb_action_ids=10205795251192076&fb_action_types=og.likes#h4ef84bed Doesn't he look grand there. Not a loss on him.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/07/2015 21:17:39    1761464

More respect should be shown, sure, but i disagree with those who say we should try to emulate the rugby players. For me, theyre almost too respectful. If theres a big decision to be made, and a ref makes a hash of it, the players should be entitled to let him know what they think imo. No authority is above question.
Physical contact with refs, and personal insults directed at refs are big no-no's but theres nothing wrong with letting a ref know that hes made a bad call.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/07/2015 21:26:39    1761470

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1761326 The ref was shocking in the Derry galway game this year. Very poor performance and i genuinely think he cost Derry that game.Yourjoking are you sure that wasn't enright??

Agree Derry were hard done by match officials. But that's the standard these days until refs are punished its going to continue. Look we(Roscommon) had a certain official doing linesman against Sligo he incorrectly overruled umpires and disallow a perfectly fine point. On of our midfields got punch right in front of him and he didn't flag it to ref. This bad performance by official was not punished and the GAA put him in charge of our Fermanagh and anyone who was at that game or seen any of it knows what happened there. He robbed us again. It was same last year against Mayo we lost by a point we definitely did not get rub of the green from the ref and two games later against Armagh we get same ref. Why cant GAA follow what all other major sports in the world do and make a ref sit few weeks out when they perform badly, As a player if you perform badly you will not get your place the next week why should refs when they actually have more of an input in a game than any player.

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 31/07/2015 09:25:52    1761530