GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 2020

For me I wouldn't use league form as a yardstick on their prospects to win sam. I know some games were close but they did get relegated after all!

They obviously are capable of beating Sligo, capable of beating Monaghan too although that will be a very close call....after that I couldn't see them doing anything.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 29/07/2015 13:46:16    1760793

mhunicean_abu
County: Monaghan
Posts: 227

1760770 the_walls
County: Mayo

I think it is because the predictions made are not based on logic or current form. There is still that opinion being bandied about that Donegal left the Ulster title behind them.

Monaghan fans themselves have been flying off the handle all year, anytime Donegal were mentioned as Ulster's best team. Donegal have been Ulster's best side, the only side capable of winning or reaching an All Ireland final. Monaghan have yet to win an All Ireland QF and wonder why they get little respect on the National Stage.

Malachy O'Rourke himself was borderline emotional after this years final, where he said Monaghan didn't get the respect they deserved or they felt they didn't get the respect they deserved for 2013 Ulster win. People said Donegal were off the boil and not at the races.
Well people who said that in 2013 were correct, and it was shown to be true a few weeks later with a 16 point hammering dished out by Mayo.

There was very little between Donegal and Monaghan in this years final, Monaghan definitely did have a better first half in which they punished unusual Donegal indiscipline. I felt this was helped by a succession of Donegal unforced wide's in the first half, that seemed to damage their attacking confidence of McFadden and MacNiallais who can often be counted on for scores. Donegal's failure to keep the scoreboard ticking over in the run up to half time was the real difference at half time, Other than that, both sides were fairly even I thought.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/07/2015 13:48:34    1760796

seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 137

1760786 @the_walls

For me I would get a little rankled with a lack of respect shown post events. In the build-up anything goes for sure….I prefer when other teams talks themselves up as it makes a sweeter sound when they thud on the field.

In 2013 (division 3 at the time) we comprehensively beat Donegal to win Ulster. A lot of posters on here (and not from Donegal folks I will add) said nothing except well done to wee Monaghan on catching the champions off guard. Lots of stuff about Donegal being hungover and Monaghan having a soft route to the final et cetera….I didn't see anything about this beforehand though….Everyone said Donegal would breeze past us. Although not near as bad, similar comments this year too. The league semi-final this year….A lot of posts about Dublin being flat and not getting out of second gear to scrape past Monaghan. It was obvious what happened though to anyone who has played the game or even has more the passing interest. The opposition made it difficult and that had to be respected, particularly one week after annihilation in Clones.

Part of Monaghan's problem is their lack of sustain success before now, which is why winning down in Kerry was such a big deal this year in the league and giving Dublin a game a week after they tanked you in Clones meant so much in the league too.

2013 Donegal were a hungover, unfit and Injury plagued side. Concussions before the game weren't helped when Mark McHugh was assaulted by Stephen Gollogly and left with Concussion and perforated ear drum etc. Monaghan then pushed on and won the game on home soil. I still look back, and call it for what it was. You might find that hurtful, and clearly the entire Monaghan panel found it hurtful, but it was the truth.

Last year Monaghan definitely Improved, they gained confidence from 2013 and had built on that. This year they have Improved further as result of playing in Division 1, and now we soon see whether or not they will finally get past the All Ireland QF stage. I

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/07/2015 13:57:06    1760803

Tyrones season will be over in the next two weekends not just sure which

detruth (Monaghan) - Posts: 196 - 29/07/2015 14:04:44    1760806

the_walls
County: Mayo
Posts: 59

1760738 I cannot understand why people get so upset about the "lack of respect" shown to their counties. What lack of respect is being shown to Sligo or Monaghan? Some people think that Tyrone will beat both of these teams. That is their opinion and they are entitled to it. I cannot fathom how that implies a lack of respect. People are particularly writing off Sligo. I say with good reason, I cannot see anyway that Sligo will beat Tyrone. Could I be wrong? Of course I could but that is just my opinion on how the game will pan out and not intended to be disrespectful towards Sligo. It seems to be that if you say anything other than it will be a tight, close game you can be accused of disrespect. Ridiculous, in my view.

For the record I would fancy Monaghan to beat Tyrone

Have to agree, especially when the entire thread is based on that assumption to discuss whether Tyrone are contenders.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 29/07/2015 14:10:15    1760810

GaryMc82
County: Derry

I felt this was helped by a succession of Donegal unforced wide's in the first half,

This is what I'm talking about. How can you say these wides were unforced, you were obviously not at the match or watching the same one I was

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 29/07/2015 14:16:28    1760815

Spade a spade time folks, Tyrone aren't good enough to win anything. Tyrone will struggle to get past Sligo. Sligo are nowhere near as bad as the Mayo debacle - they suffered by persisting with retro defensive marking against a horse of a man like O'Shea and as a result they never had a platform to get into the game which was over after 5 minutes. They surely won't be as silly as that again and there is a freedom in having made a complete b***s of things - all expectations now are off Sligo - absolutely nothing to lose, pressure off - so I'd say they'll put up a good show on Saturday - and let's not forget it was Sligo who pulled the rug out from under Tyrone in 2002. I also thought Tipperary were very disappointing - yes, we took some nice scores, but for god's sake it was like a training game, very little defensive pressure on us in the second half - Tyrone are where you'd expect them to be - a well-drilled and occasionally inconsistent team who lack absolute star quality in 2 or 3 positions.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 29/07/2015 15:04:15    1760857

Tyrone will go very close, I expect them and Kerry to have a hum dinger of a semi final,

ben1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 29/07/2015 15:14:34    1760868

Sligo scored 2-11 off 46% possession despite being unhinged at the back by the sort of pressure game Mayo used high up the pitch and a suicidal kickout tactic. Tyrone don't tend to play that type of game, which basically demands abandoning the use of sweepers. I don't see the CF experience destroying Sligo's morale either. They didn't drop the heads the last day anyway. I think they have players, particularly up front, who'll make Tyrone work for it the next day, and if Tyrone can't manage a significant score early on, it could be game on. Any talk beyond that is disrespectful rambling. Sligo beat the Rossies far more convincingly than Fermanagh did....

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/07/2015 15:45:30    1760889

Some team tyrone already in the final in some posters eyes based on a few wins over div 3 teams and a half interested meath side its 2015 not 2005 or 2008. Seriously through you have to respect a side managed by Mickey Harte and they will be there or thereabouts in the quarter finals whether against us or Mayo am not so sure. However I don't see them as being a contender simply by reason of the fact they don't have the quality of players they had a few years ago to put fear into other sides. I accept the point also that we still got it to do on the national stage but am confident that will be partly put right on 8th August and if we don't then we don't deserve to be anywhere near an all ireland semi final. As for the credit or otherwise given to Monaghan after winning Ulster, don't really care everyone has their own opinions, am just happy the records simply state three ulster finals two ulster titles against a great Donegal side. In the words of one of our players following the final a lot of people said we were going to go away after 2013 we haven't and we ain't going to.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1802 - 29/07/2015 16:07:21    1760902

Far from a great Donegal side now, they won 1 all ireland

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 29/07/2015 16:29:10    1760916

@GaryMc82
Part of Monaghan's problem is their lack of sustain success before now, which is why winning down in Kerry was such a big deal this year in the league and giving Dublin a game a week after they tanked you in Clones meant so much in the league too.
2013 Donegal were a hungover, unfit and Injury plagued side. Concussions before the game weren't helped when Mark McHugh was assaulted by Stephen Gollogly and left with Concussion and perforated ear drum etc. Monaghan then pushed on and won the game on home soil. I still look back, and call it for what it was. You might find that hurtful, and clearly the entire Monaghan panel found it hurtful, but it was the truth.

On home soil eh? Does that matter?? We had a 25 year wait to win an Ulster…

My issue with the above it NOBODY (posters here, bookies, pundits) said any of that until Donegal lost. We didn't have a snowballs of winning that game but low and behold we did. We were very much underestimated by nearly everyone including many of our own. I stood on the O'Duffy terrace that day surrounded by Donegal people. 2014 and this year was more 50/50. It's not hurtful to me personally, more derisory that excuses are made when the results are distasteful to some. I didn't cry my eyes out over the subsequent QF that we probably should have won! We didn't and we were punished by a more experienced side. I think hindsight, if anything, shows it for something different than your view. Monaghan have continued to push on to win division 2 with ease, challenged for division 1 this year and are now Ulster champions again.

As for Tyrone, I think they should manage to beat Sligo. I will hold judgement until I see that performance. They can of course beat Monaghan but I wouldn't favour them to do so.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 29/07/2015 17:15:21    1760949

@GaryMc82
Part of Monaghan's problem is their lack of sustain success before now, which is why winning down in Kerry was such a big deal this year in the league and giving Dublin a game a week after they tanked you in Clones meant so much in the league too.
2013 Donegal were a hungover, unfit and Injury plagued side. Concussions before the game weren't helped when Mark McHugh was assaulted by Stephen Gollogly and left with Concussion and perforated ear drum etc. Monaghan then pushed on and won the game on home soil. I still look back, and call it for what it was. You might find that hurtful, and clearly the entire Monaghan panel found it hurtful, but it was the truth.

On home soil eh? Does that matter?? We had a 25 year wait to win an Ulster…

My issue with the above it NOBODY (posters here, bookies, pundits) said any of that until Donegal lost. We didn't have a snowballs of winning that game but low and behold we did. We were very much underestimated by nearly everyone including many of our own. I stood on the O'Duffy terrace that day surrounded by Donegal people. 2014 and this year was more 50/50. It's not hurtful to me personally, more derisory that excuses are made when the results are distasteful to some. I didn't cry my eyes out over the subsequent QF that we probably should have won! We didn't and we were punished by a more experienced side. I think hindsight, if anything, shows it for something different than your view. Monaghan have continued to push on to win division 2 with ease, challenged for division 1 this year and are now Ulster champions again.

As for Tyrone, I think they should manage to beat Sligo. I will hold judgement until I see that performance. They can of course beat Monaghan but I wouldn't favour them to do so.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 29/07/2015 17:22:24    1760956

Tyrone will beat Sligo make no mistake but after that that are into thinner atmosphere and will struggle.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 29/07/2015 17:40:24    1760965

Tyrone have a great chance of making the final at least this year. If they get past Monaghan then they will have a 50/50 game with Kildare in the semis.

Kildare will be on a wave of confidence after beating Cork and Kerry and will be hard to beat but wont be much in it at the end.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 29/07/2015 19:19:12    1761012

seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 140

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GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 2020

For me I wouldn't use league form as a yardstick on their prospects to win sam. I know some games were close but they did get relegated after all!

They obviously are capable of beating Sligo, capable of beating Monaghan too although that will be a very close call....after that I couldn't see them doing anything.

I used every performance this season, not only the National League. Looking at their performances against the big Southern teams of Mayo, Kerry, Dublin and Cork, I was very Impressed with Tyrone against all of those sides.

The question as to whether or not Tyrone could win the All Ireland this year, I think they are as capable as any other side.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/07/2015 20:23:45    1761045

mhunicean_abu
County: Monaghan
Posts: 228

1760815
GaryMc82
County: Derry

I felt this was helped by a succession of Donegal unforced wide's in the first half,

This is what I'm talking about. How can you say these wides were unforced, you were obviously not at the match or watching the same one I was

I can say that because they didn't all look forced, many looked to be down to poor kicking.

At this level, most shots are taken under pressure. Yet a team like Donegal will still always manage to get a decent percentage of their shots away and against opposition who would certainly rival Monaghan in terms of Intensity and organisation.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/07/2015 20:33:29    1761048

Tyrone, like Kildare, have earned respect across the championship. They've been down this road before. Just because they got knocked out of Ulster, it does not mean that they have not learned any lessons. The qualifiers are there for such reasons. Instead of waiting a year, they were able to dust themselves down and go again. No disrespect to Sligo but Monaghan v Tyrone is going to be a difficult quarter-final to call. The winner will be very confident of going all the way to win the All-Ireland.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 29/07/2015 21:57:22    1761095

Mickies last year in charge, not a mention about them, not given a hope. they will go into every match as underdogs. dont rule them out.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 29/07/2015 21:58:04    1761096

Never write Tyrone off but I think if they get over Sligo then that will be it for this year.

On another point, GaryMc posts are so anti-Monaghan that I have to laugh at some of them. I really think he's on the wind up most of the time.
He persistently predicted on the run up to the Ulster Final that Donegal would easily win by 7-8 points or even more and then when we won it he disappeared for over week and a half. Never gave us an ounce of credit but reasons why Donegal lost it..
He's now back saying we were lucky in 2013 and this year and that we wont get any further this year!

Gary did those Derry defeats by Monaghan over the last few years really hurt you that much? lol

HeadButter (Monaghan) - Posts: 282 - 30/07/2015 08:10:29    1761100