To Whammo86 - addressing your points -
I use the current 2x 16 (Prov SF 16 and Qual Rd 1 or TMC 16) to put all 32 on a fairer ground, by all 32 having 2 chances for at least 2 more rds.
A Lein QF loser in Rd 1 and a Muns SF bye team have equal assurance of a last chance in Qual Rd 2 - this means a 3rd chance overall for some.
The FRC's 4x8 gave all 2 chances - with 3 chances for 4 teams - I think this didn't pass because nobody wanted to cross prov borders - my 2x16 doesn't have this problem.
Yes, I have 3 chances for the 1st 12 TMC teams only - with the SFs straight KO. This is similar to current Prov champs having only 1 chance in the AI QFs.
I agree with completing the Prov matches over 6-7 weeks - and with diluting the value of losing Prov finals.
Accordingly, I place the Prov losing finalists in Qual Rd 3 - in fact, the 4th Rd takes in 2 champs as well.
I think giving the weakest 12 counties a 3rd chance would not result in a twice-beaten AI Champ - but even if so, a champ with 6 wins and 2 losses isn't unworthy.
To be honest - I limit the 3rd chance to make the Maths work - I need 10 teams in Rd 4 for the 5 winners to the AI QFs.
Finally, I split the TMC 16 into a Stronger 8 paired up in 3 rds - and a Weaker 8 (playing for the TM Shield and a TMC final berth) over 3 rds, before the TM Final in rd 4.
Personally, I believe has something for everyone - EXCEPT - round robin fans.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2612 - 26/07/2015 17:08:10    1759255

TMC 16 could be adjusted slightly - the initial losers in the Weaker 8 of 4 teams only, and all losers from the Stronger 8 of 4, 2, 1 enter Qual Rds 2, 3, 4.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2612 - 26/07/2015 17:17:16    1759257

To Legendzxix -

OK, you have a point - you win, we've lost (twice) - no need to mention my county by name :) :)

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2612 - 26/07/2015 17:45:16    1759270

If Ulster adopted the Leinster seeding, it's draw could be something like:

Bowl 1:
Donegal, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone.

Bowl 2:
Down, Armagh, Cavan and a Preliminary Round winner of Antrim v Fermanagh.

Simply draw a seeded team against an unseeded tram in the quarter-finals. Ye're championship would have more balance. The A and B sides of the All-Ireland championship would have more balance. Ulster's business is Ulster's business at the end of the day.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7870 - 30/07/2015 13:15:52    1761200

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County: Kerry
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1761200 If Ulster adopted the Leinster seeding, it's draw could be something like:

Bowl 1:
Donegal, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone.

Bowl 2:
Down, Armagh, Cavan and a Preliminary Round winner of Antrim v Fermanagh.

Simply draw a seeded team against an unseeded tram in the quarter-finals. Ye're championship would have more balance. The A and B sides of the All-Ireland championship would have more balance. Ulster's business is Ulster's business at the end of the day.

Yes this is similar to my earlier suggestions, and very simple and effective.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/07/2015 13:48:18    1761210

When did fairness and the GAA ever go hand in hand ,to any observer the GAA championships structure are the most unfair and stupid system in world sport ,I cannot believe that they have not been changed by now .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 30/07/2015 13:52:17    1761212

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Any format will be unfair.

The weaker counties will always be the weaker counties no matter the format. The same teams dominate rugby and soccer year in year out no matter what format or changes are made.

Provincials keep, run them on a pool basis with a Final only in Connacht and Munster but with semi-final and Final in Ulster and Leinster (due to the numbers). Then you can go to a All-Ireland Semi directly (or have the losers go through making a quarter final round for TV and gate receipts).

I want to play Meath in a Leinster Championship that means something. County rivalries in the Province are what keep things going..we live for them.

In the new formats proposed there is no more Kerry v Cork in Munster, or Galway/Mayo in Connacht, or no chance of Leitrim beating Roscommon, no more Armagh/Down or Derry/Tyrone or Dublin/Meath and so on....would kill so much for me if we lost this.

And running a Provincial series outsde of the All-Ireland would mean nothing.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 30/07/2015 14:12:55    1761235

Well Gary, it'll be up to Ulster counties to sort that. Ye're provincial finalists will more than like have 3 provincial championships games in that scenario which is ideal preparation ahead of the All-Ireland series. The replay gave us the third game we needed.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7870 - 30/07/2015 14:26:06    1761242

How about - take Prov SF 16 and Qual Rd 1 of 16 -
Each steams plays 2 more rds to get 4 prov champs v 4 from Quals in the 3rd match in a 2 chance section of 8
Losers from the 8 in quantities of 4, 2, 1 enter Qual rds 3, 4 and AI QFs, respectively.
The non-8 (24 others) play in Qual Rd 2 - 12 winners to 16-team rd 3 -
8 winners to 10-team rd 4 -
5 winners to 6-team AI QFs -
3 winners join surviving team from original 8 in AI SFs.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2612 - 01/08/2015 16:35:13    1762043

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County: Dublin
Posts: 771

1761235
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Any format will be unfair.

The weaker counties will always be the weaker counties no matter the format. The same teams dominate rugby and soccer year in year out no matter what format or changes are made.

Provincials keep, run them on a pool basis with a Final only in Connacht and Munster but with semi-final and Final in Ulster and Leinster (due to the numbers). Then you can go to a All-Ireland Semi directly (or have the losers go through making a quarter final round for TV and gate receipts).

I want to play Meath in a Leinster Championship that means something. County rivalries in the Province are what keep things going..we live for them.

In the new formats proposed there is no more Kerry v Cork in Munster, or Galway/Mayo in Connacht, or no chance of Leitrim beating Roscommon, no more Armagh/Down or Derry/Tyrone or Dublin/Meath and so on....would kill so much for me if we lost this.

And running a Provincial series outsde of the All-Ireland would mean nothing.

first bold sentence. Why? you beat them every time ..for now..in fact you hammer them.,. why would you want to play them? Donegal are far bigger rivals for you these days as they genuinely stand in your way of winning the trophies that you are in doubt of winning (the league and AI- Leisnter being a foregone conclusion)..you should want to play them more? If you don't agree then 82,000 in Croke Park as a stand alone fixture means that most people do...

Second sentence. Yes, you are right here. Objectively speaking, they mean little now. Little is only marginally bigger than nothing so it does make sense to confine them to the bin..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/08/2015 16:50:53    1762048

Do you guys honestly think we like playing Clare and Waterford every year? No disrespect to those teams but every year we have to wait til Cork to find out what level we are at. It looks like Tipp are improving in the last few years so that is good for munster football. Not Kerrys fault that we have to play these teams as I dont see the kerry county board refusing to play because the games are too easy. These counties are so weak due to the countless beatings inflicted by Kerry down through the years

However, if the our dominant county were in any other province and dominating over long periods of time I think you would find all the other counties to be beaten into submission like munster counties. Ulster fans might think twice if calling for a fairer system if they had to meet the might of Kerry every year and you would find the likes of a young Micheal Murphy taking up rugby due to the kerry boys beating ye out the gate year in, year out. Be carefull for what you wish for.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 01/08/2015 17:43:01    1762067

Would Kerry have won a provincial championship this year if they had to defeat Tyrone Armagh Derry Monaghan ? Tyrone defeated a good Tipp team by a bigger margin than Kerry did.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 02/08/2015 13:04:19    1762366