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14KY37 (Kerry) - Posts: 30 - 21/07/2015 18:34:10 1757167 Link 0 |
21/07/2015 18:34:10 ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/07/2015 18:47:11 1757176 Link 0 |
Rightstuff......sure Galway had to beat Armagh and Derry to get to this point also and now they face you, which Donegal will win on paper easily. What is all the crying about, I think you can face off with Mayo in the quarter finals and they will bate ye out the gate. c'ship begins with the final 8. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 21/07/2015 19:13:51 1757196 Link 0 |
Donegal have beaten Tyrone, Armagh and Derry and are in the last 12. Am I right in saying Cork have just beaten Clare and are at the same stage? MB1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 360 - 21/07/2015 19:35:44 1757208 Link 0 |
Football is becoming as elitist as hurling but I don't think the GAA care so long as the cash tills keep ringing. Dublin bring in the revenue and Kerry are worshipped by Croke Park and the media. Beyond these two, and maybe Cork, it's a case of let them eat cake. Everything will always be done to keep these 3 counties sweet but I believe this is starting to have an effect on other counties. When Antrim beat Laois the number of jersies and county related gear seen around the place was unbelievable BUT the GAA has never tapped into this potential. Outside Dublin we could be the second biggest financial spinning county for the Association but Croke Park has abandoned Belfast and Antrim and soccer is the No.1 sport by a distance. Great counties like Meath, Kildare, Laois etc are also pale shadows of what they should be. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 21/07/2015 19:54:42 1757218 Link 0 |
If Galway had won Connacht this year they would play 7 games to win Sam, by losing semi to Mayo and going through qualifier route they will have played 8 games, now I know Mayo's route is a joke 5 games for Sam but we need some good luck it's 64 years since we won the AllIreland, now stop yer whinging, ah I'm only joking riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 21/07/2015 19:56:01 1757219 Link 0 |
Rightstuff I can only imagine with your love of insults that you must have attended a number of them team meetings Kevin Cassidy wrote about in his book? We were told all spring how tough Donegal were going to have it playing Tyrone, Armagh and Derry. We now see that a fairly ordinary Galway side have knocked out Armagh and Derry with plenty to spare, and a flaky and ordinary Meath side would have beaten Tyrone in Omagh but for a dubious penalty. As Donegal showed in 2012, if you are good enough you win the All-Ireland, anything else is whinging. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/07/2015 19:59:11 1757221 Link 0 |
Each province Munster apart swings in roundabouts in terms of strong teams and competitiveness. Sure very tough draw for Donegal but that is the way the cookie crumbles. I am afraid it does come across as sour grapes. Ulster should be seeded to make it a fairer playing field and giving weaker teams an extra game while making the path to the final a little easier for the previous years semi finalists. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 21/07/2015 20:00:17 1757223 Link 0 |
MB1 ...... I think you are right. But remember, the Munster Championship is way stronger than Leinster and Connaught. Wayyyyyyyy stronger ;-) JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/07/2015 20:26:32 1757239 Link 0 |
Ulster football is doing ok for itself folks, people whinge about the system. Ok I would seed it slightly but it is unlikely to result in more All Irelands for the province. 5 different counties from Ulster have won an All Ireland in the last 25 years, no other province can show as many different counties winning Sam. Ulster like the rest of the country are competing with tradional counties so an Ulster county cannot win it every year. But 5 different winners actually shows the competitive nature of the Ulster Championship is moulding a great majority of its counties into All Ireland Champions. So Ulster people be careful what you wish for. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 21/07/2015 20:31:03 1757244 Link 0 |
2000-2009 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 21/07/2015 20:56:02 1757265 Link 0 |
Soma TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 21/07/2015 21:09:52 1757276 Link 0 |
Ohh sorry I acknowledge more All Irelands have went outside Ulster. The point I was making which in no way is having a dig at anybody else is Ulster have produced 5 different winners in the last 25 years. My argument is that the competitive nature of the province is moulding and giving a fast majority of its team the chance of lifting Sam. Of course that is not going to happen every year.. but it is a positive of the system against the negative nature of this topic. I hope Monaghan can become the 6th County this year. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 21/07/2015 21:22:11 1757289 Link 0 |
You have got yourself all in a fluster Rightstuff. My county is Lancashire, its not an option to select on here so have to settle for UK. Ulster is at the moment the most competitive province, greatly helped by the fact most teams in the province are of a similar level. That is why the shortest priced team in Ulster to win Sam this year is 14/1 at the bookies. Put Monaghan into Leinster and Dublin in Ulster and I would say Leinster becomes the most competitive province. If you cant see the relevance of Galway fairly handily beating Derry and Armagh, showing the quality in Ulster is fairly ordinary this year, then we will just have to leave it at that. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/07/2015 21:35:33 1757296 Link 0 |
For me its not sour grapes anyway. In 2011 I said the structure was a joke, I said it again in 2012 and in 2013. No matter how we do there is no doubting that the system is inherently unfair. I'm fed up saying it to be honest. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 22/07/2015 10:31:14 1757376 Link 0 |
What's so unfair is that the mighty Dubs are so far ahead of everyone else! SeppBlatter (Dublin) - Posts: 187 - 22/07/2015 10:53:24 1757394 Link 0 |
I think we are all agreed from all these posts that a 12 year old would devise a better structure than the one we have at the moment..................but it just seems too much for grown men 'in the corridors of power' (ie co boards) to see it. Monkey see, monkey do. Gaelic Football will only be played in top counties soon. Again, wake me up for the 1/4 finals, the previous 3 months is irrelevant ( = 24 counties eliminated which by & large is the same 24 counties every year) Yawn Yawn Yawn arjuna (Longford) - Posts: 88 - 22/07/2015 11:08:20 1757406 Link 0 |
Soma s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 22/07/2015 11:28:25 1757418 Link 0 |
If Donegal had drawn the Ulster final and lost they would have to play 9 games just to win the All Ireland . Maybe the Munster winners and runners up should enter the qualifiers in the 4th round and 3 rd round respectfully. crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 22/07/2015 11:50:02 1757436 Link 0 |
Look there's pros and cons to the current system, the major pro is that the provincials provide a lot of local derbies and hence reasonably big crowds, a new system couldn't guarantee the same crowds or better. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/07/2015 12:06:00 1757450 Link 0 |