Offside_Rule
County: Antrim
Posts: 2379

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Joxer - was there any build up to the incident or was it an unprovoked attack?

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Do you mean was an Armagh player struck first? From what I've heard no but that's not to say there were no verbals. Regardless, I don't see how this is relevant to one player ending up in hospital with severe injuries. Are you thinking this may be a case of self defence? Anyway I suspect that a ri ra may have ensued with Dublin emptying the A team from the adjacent pitch. Looks like the real story will be kept under wraps but beggars belief that the GAA would take a stance of nothing to see here. Only in Ireland!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 08/07/2015 17:52:50    1750079

Yeah meant was the Dublin player hit out of the blue or was there any build up. If you are not sure then it would be wiser to have all the facts before posting. I would say verbals are provocation by the way - for instance, if someone said something sick about someone belonging to me then I would say you will take your medicine. Not talking about this incident but something that happened very recently in a club game here which had I been in the situation I would not have been able to show the same restraint that was shown.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/07/2015 18:46:39    1750106

Yeah agree Offside. Incidentally I'm not defending anyone here. For all I know the Dublin player may have deserved a box, all I'm asking is how this could happen at the top (professional almost) end of any sport and the governing body fail to investigate. I just find that unbelievable to be very honest. I am guessing that there was wrong on both sides and all and sundry agreed to move on, except some loud mouth has squeeled. That has put the GAA in a very awkward position, as it's now public, and they have done what they always do, buried their head in the sand.

Davey was operated on in the Santry Sports Injury clinic so good luck to him in his recovery.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 08/07/2015 19:52:58    1750134

Its amusing the amount of posts saying nothing more should be said about this until all the facts are known in case an Armagh man is unfairly treated, but then seems to go on to suggest that Davey Byrne could have said something that deserved a fractured eye socket, nose and 2 nights stay in hospital. The biting incident in Donegal tells us that if an Armagh player received these injuries playing Dublin its unlikely there would be such determination from some on here to await the outcome of investigations before making any suggestions.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 08/07/2015 19:58:02    1750140

Interesting that Dublin have played both Armagh and Cavan in recent weeks in Challenge matches, is this perhaps preparation for something they anticipate facing further down the line?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/07/2015 20:05:24    1750145

i see what your saying joxer but i find it very puzzling that dublin especially dont want to follow this up...i presume theyd have a strong case of sorts considering the extent of the injuries reported....the gaa cant prosecute anybody unless evidence is provided

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 08/07/2015 20:06:50    1750148

Oh didn't think you were defending anyone and similarly I am not saying he deserved anything as I haven't the first clue as to what happened. I was trying to see what info was out there before giving an opinion or criticising anyone and you just seemed to have more info than most - though admittedly not all the facts.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/07/2015 20:12:24    1750153

All county boards owe a duty of care to their players. It is not good enough to brush this under the carpet. Investigate fully if it was a case of assault then this is a criminal matter. Its this kind of behaviour and the acceptance of same that turns people away from our games. Both Armagh, Dublin and the GAA need to step up and take responsibility.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 08/07/2015 20:24:32    1750161

We know there were countless witnesses, we know that a player was hospitalised and required surgery. It is known who the Armagh player is. It is known what transpired after this particular incident. Surely it's not good enough for the governing body to turn around and say we are taking this no further as there is not enough evidence? There has to be some accountability when an amateur player ends up in surgery and, if reports are true, due to an act that would usually find the assailant in court.

Seadog/Soma, agree totally. Bizarre to say the least.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 08/07/2015 21:47:56    1750228

We know there were countless witnesses, we know that a player was hospitalised and required surgery. It is known who the Armagh player is. It is known what transpired after this particular incident. Surely it's not good enough for the governing body to turn around and say we are taking this no further as there is not enough evidence? There has to be some accountability when an amateur player ends up in surgery and, if reports are true, due to an act that would usually find the assailant in court.

Seadog/Soma, agree totally. Bizarre to say the least.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 08/07/2015 21:48:31    1750229

Listening to off the ball last night wolly interviewed Jim Gavin. He mentioned the Dave Byrne incident. wolly said he checked and it was not mentioned in the referee's report. Surely one of the top refs-he is in the 16 championship group of refs- Shouldn't have omitted this.

Where does the player stand with players incurance? I was always lead to believe that if a player got injured in a game the ref must note it in match report for insurance reasons.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 10/07/2015 09:53:40    1750822

Yes I heard the interview with Colm P . Dublin are in a similar position to what we were in 2013 with bitegate. Jim Gavin is conspicuously taking the code of omertà although , I would say he accidentally let it slip that there is video footage . Surely those at Croke Park will acquire the video ?

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 10/07/2015 10:15:48    1750839

If you listen to the off the ball link below it sounds quite clear that both players must be equally responsible judging by what Gavin says. Parkinson tried his best tho. I personally think a challenge match is a challenge match if a soccer player gets sent of in a friendly there is no ban, the main reason why people ban players because how it looks from the outside but since noone seen it why such an uproar judging by Gavin comments it takes two to tango he didnt exactly publicly back him

http://www.newstalk.com/jim-gavin-addresses-davey-byrne-incident

credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 10/07/2015 10:20:50    1750842

He didn't fracture his eye socket which is great news for him

Reports coming from the Dub camp is that the two players involved have since spoken and both regret what happened

I presume from that.. that they shook hands and got on with things

If they came together as grown men and regretted the actions and both shook hands

Then it's time top move on

For me.. all that matters is that Davy will be fine and delighted to hear that his injuries weren't as severe as first reported

I've broken my nose a couple of times - it's def unpleasant but not as bad as a bloody fractured eye socket

Time to move on now lads / lasses

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 10/07/2015 11:26:14    1750895

I am glad the injuries are not as bad as first reported. After Gavins interview I also suspect the incident was not as bad as first reported and correct me if I am wrong but it appears there was an altercation involving two players who thankfully have now shook hands. However it seems to me many were extrembly quick yet again to banish a whole team, county and in some aspects province.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 10/07/2015 12:00:34    1750923

another overblown incident?..could it be?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 10/07/2015 12:11:15    1750925

sam1884
County: UK
Posts: 89

1750923 I am glad the injuries are not as bad as first reported. After Gavins interview I also suspect the incident was not as bad as first reported and correct me if I am wrong but it appears there was an altercation involving two players who thankfully have now shook hands. However it seems to me many were extrembly quick yet again to banish a whole team, county and in some aspects province.

Yep. It's pretty pathetic to see so many grown adults so desperate to have their prejudices confirmed. They won't learn from it either.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 10/07/2015 12:28:32    1750942

Some people obviously don't learn as we see time and time again on here the usual suspects coming on and castigating an entire team or Province over something without having the full information. But to me that is a deeper ingrained problem and while people might try to say it's not I have seen enough on here and during my years living in Dublin to know it is definitely the case and there is a real dislike for all things Northern. It's a sad state of affairs to be honest.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 10/07/2015 12:39:54    1750955

There is clearly a lack of will to investigate this incident. The respective County boards -especially Dublin- could be afraid that an investigation will lead to disciplinary sanctions which could damage both teams' prospects in the championship. If this is the acse then it is totally irresponsible. One of the consequences of the threat of serious sanctions is that they inhibit dangerous/violent behaviour. Despite what they say, those who are anxious to hush this matter up are reneging on their duty of care to the players. Because this was a challenge match played behind closed doors and not played in the full glare of national TV there is a perception that violent incidents are nobody's business except those involved. Apparently a full and 'frank exchange' between the players has resolved the issue . This is brushing the matter under the carpet and I am very surprised at Jim Gavin's interview. This should be taken out of the hands of the county boards and the referee called in to give a full account of what happened even though he failed to make any note of it in his match report. The buck stops with the GAA authorities in this matter. It must be investigated properly. If this is brushed under the carpet then it creates the perception that violence can be inflicted with impunity in certain games. In these circumstances Gaelic football may become a very dangerous game indeed. All very fine until someone gets very seriously injured.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 10/07/2015 12:50:53    1750963

Byrne had to spend 2 nights in hospital with facial injuries after an altercation between 2 players before the challenge game even started - I'm not sure Gavin saying the 2 players have shook hands and moved on means the incident was overblown by anyone. Any attack that leaves a lad in hospital for 2 nights surely has to be considered serious, regardless of what lead to it.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/07/2015 12:51:18    1750965