Oh,so this is where the deep thinkers thread is..

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 02/07/2015 14:21:33    1746486

well if somebody wants to have a legitimate argument then you need to be objective joxer...otherwise you cant be taken seriously as its just points of a fanboy...we already know you are a big follower of the franchise

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/07/2015 14:23:45    1746488

Nonsense thread title. The annual media bubble serves it's purpose by filling column inches and keeping everyone interested but an average reader of the game knows there is nothing separating Kerry, Donegal and Dublin. I'd place Mayo slightly behind due to the fact they can't of yet manage to get over the line.

I think it would be an idea to have a separate area of this website for those who want to have a laugh and those who actually want to have a serious debate. Perhaps an area where those of only 1,000 posts or more can see....

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 02/07/2015 14:35:56    1746493

Its always the same in Leinster. they have been breezing through it without being tested so they never find out any of their flaws and then when they play a Donegal/Kerry/Mayo its too late. Their midfield wasnt great against Kildare under the high ball but they are strong runners with the ball. Their half forward line is the best in the country but they looked great against a terrible half back line.....

I can't wait for the business end of the championship though - They will be challenged and we will see how good they are.

lilyabu (Kildare) - Posts: 32 - 02/07/2015 14:36:10    1746495

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
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I feel. A peak Johnny Doyle, Dermot Early or a Glenn Ryan would make that current Dublin team in my opinion. But what's not excusable is the lack of fight.

I found it hard to believe myself. One of the striking images of day for me was Cribben laughing and joking with McAuley after match on field after getting his team got his arse handed to them. I know they've played ball together but its all about optics. Two Kildare lads I know mentioned it to me as well. Attitude is all wrong in dressing room at moment.

As for thread. Same rubbish as last year. Dublin are this, that and the other until someone catches them cold. we'll see later in year.

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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 02/07/2015 14:36:36    1746496

No Full back, Aidan O Shea will beat them on his own if they play Mayo this year

elvistheking (Galway) - Posts: 99 - 02/07/2015 14:39:23    1746499

The media always jump on the Dublin bandwagon during their (now) annual prance through Leinster. Then of course, whoever beats Dublin catches them on the hop, per the pundits.Form your own opinions folks,you won't be far off. There are a number of media folk who are not actually football savvy, if you read between the lines. They are just well scripted and sell the dailies.

noelnyc (Kerry) - Posts: 82 - 02/07/2015 15:05:32    1746513

fabio8
County: USA
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well if somebody wants to have a legitimate argument then you need to be objective joxer...otherwise you cant be taken seriously as its just points of a fanboy...we already know you are a big follower of the franchise

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Ah I see, make your point and then undermine it by supporting the views of others who are making a counter point. Makes sense alright.

Anyway, yes I am a fan of my county and have been since the Da was bringing me to the canal end in the 70s, when there was no such thing as keyboard warriors and the term franchise only applied to Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets and long before British sports hacks hijacked it to refer to wealthy premiership teams. Each to their own I suppose.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2015 15:14:18    1746520

Seany - the thread was set up to ask fans if they see anyone beating the Dubs; akin to most forums on HS, people get sidetracked . I doubt the players visit HS. In theory , off course the metropols are beatable but realistically at 10/11 on : will it happen ? I personally do not see Dublin being beaten this year however I also do not think that they will win 2 or 3 in a row. I Would actually fear for Donegal if we were to meet .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 02/07/2015 15:32:57    1746527

No team is unbeatable and any team can be beaten on a given day.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 02/07/2015 15:50:17    1746537

Any team is beatable. They are very good and will take all the beating this year though. Realistically only Donegal Kerry or Mayo ( Maybe Cork if they have a good day and the dubs have an off day)

MartinGerard (Longford) - Posts: 275 - 02/07/2015 15:52:35    1746541

you brought up the monaghan league match yet completely ignored the semi final a week later which was very competitive..why would you do that?..be objective please....i think what some people are saying about the dubs is utter nonsense but population is a huge help...you take everything as a shot against the dubs..its not..the dubs even in their supposed dark days have been one of the best teams in the country dominating leinster in the process..the 3 all irelands argument doesnt hold up especially when gaa is massive in dublin....gaa isnt massive in antrim and over half the population wouldnt dream of playing it...so why bring them up in an argument to do with dublin?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/07/2015 17:39:23    1746599

obviously the dubs are beatable..they are a good side but they are far from perfect....long championship ahead...this forum needs to come up with some better topics instead of talking about the same old things all the time....i wonder is this dublin population thing ever going to amount to anything...most people concede you need a big population to be a properly competitive county in football..the only people with an issue conceding this is the odd dub (not all of them) who thinks by somehow suggesting such a thing is diminishing the achievements of their team

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/07/2015 17:42:57    1746602

The only hope we have is if Donegal stop them in the final.
Everyones hopes and dreams rely on the boys from the hills to stop the start of the dreaded Dublin 5 in a row.
Dublin have a clear run to the final..mayo will not come anywhere near them if they even make it to the semi final.
Kerry still in a period of transition so will be 2 or 3 years before we are back to our best. All rests on Donegal to stop them.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 02/07/2015 18:16:08    1746617

Dublin are 1/500 for the Leinster final against Westmeath.

Jeez, you wouldn't get those odds on a professional soccer team, playing against some little amateur club in a cup competition.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 02/07/2015 18:52:40    1746640

i dont think gibraltar were those odds against germany

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/07/2015 19:09:38    1746647

Fabio.

you brought up the monaghan league match yet completely ignored the semi final a week later which was very competitive..why would you do that?..be objective please....i think what some people are saying about the dubs is utter nonsense but population is a huge help...you take everything as a shot against the dubs..its not..the dubs even in their supposed dark days have been one of the best teams in the country dominating leinster in the process..the 3 all irelands argument doesnt hold up especially when gaa is massive in dublin....gaa isnt massive in antrim

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Can't believe I'm biting on this but I will entertain you. So population is a huge help but in the case of Antrim it is not because GAA is not 'massive' in Antrim. You tell us it is 'massive' in Dublin. What are your stats for that? The ESRI 2011 survey states that Gaelic football only ranks 8th in terms of most popular sporting activities in Dublin, only played by 1% of males and way behind soccer, swimming, golf, cycling and even rugby. So sorry but massive in Dublin it is not. The DCB are working on this through the GDP but it will take some time to make ground on soccer for example, especially bearing in mind Dublin's huge non-national population.

I brought up Monaghan to illustrate the gap between the two sides, as you know. Ok we narrowly beat them in the league semi having battered them in the championship and in Clones. But in the interests of fairness and because you are hung up on that particular game, let's illustrate the gap by calculating the score difference over those 3 games, Dubs +11 in Clones, Dublin +17 in championship, Dublin +1 in league semi. Average gap over 3 games 29/3, so about 10 points. I think that's fairly objective now Fabio.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2015 19:36:30    1746657

Ky4sam2015
I don't agree with you about Donegal beating them IF we meet as imagine how up Dublin would be for the game after last year
If things work out as a lot of people on here think( but things might not work out like we think) we would probably have to play Kerry in the semi final so that in itself would be a big ask
Now the boys from the hills might not be upto beating Kerry so then we would have to depend on the Kingdom to stop Dublin
Then again there are still some good teams still in the race, even Cork/ maybe Monaghan or even Tyrone and add Mayo so Sam won't be that easy won
I know Mayo and Donegal have beaten Dublin over the last 3 years but it could be a lot more difficult to repeat the dose this year
Still as a Donegal man would love to play Dublin again this year or indeed Kerry for that matter ( now that could be a tasty game ( Kerry v Done) but before all that we must keep an eye on Monaghan as you might not know what they are planning for us , could be a repeat of 2013

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/07/2015 20:23:22    1746672

Any team can be beaten, if enough thought and preparation is put into it.

In saying that, I do think Dublin are ahead of the other sides in overall strength this year.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/07/2015 21:43:51    1746746

in antrim half the population want nothing to do with gaa for reasons you know full well..antrim also have 0 tradition which doesnt help things.....if gaa isnt huge in dublin then explain the huge participation figures?..how do they pack croke park out most years?..do you honestly expect people to believe that outside of soccer that any sport comes close to matching gaelic football in dublin?...you really are insulting peoples intelligence....so is population a help joxer yes or no?..why has no small county won the all ireland since 1982?..why is the all ireland regularly dominated by the counties with bigger populations?...in a previous argument you asked people about why galway and cork arent successful...the two of them being two of the most successful sides in gaa and in the case of cork able to provide 2 teams which are competing at the top table almost every year...limerick hurling are extremely competitive..gaelic football simply isnt a big sport in limerick for them to be consistently strong...i brought up the monaghan game cause its strange you bring up 2 games this year then conveniently ignore the competitive 1 only a week afterward...obviously dublin are a better team then monaghan but a strange point to make nonetheless....so you expect people to believe gaa isnt huge in dublin....well now you are being very objective there arent you...these big counties down the country that only play gaelic football and no other sport while dublin competes with swimming, rugby and golf and barely pools a team together to match these 'culchies'

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/07/2015 21:51:40    1746757