samforlilly
County: Kildare
Posts: 2


Re: Eamon Callaghan 2010 : he was being fouled whilst running with the ball so ref gave advantage instead of penalty I felt ref let it go to even out B coulter goal period.


Agree with you on Eamonn C. but Its no way to ref a match. McEaneaney was one of top refs at time.
Kev Mc does seem to over carry. Wouldnt be only one

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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 18/06/2015 15:14:58    1739118

While we're on the topic of rules maybe someone more enlightened can answer this one for me.

This is a move I used to carry out frequently underage but I have rarely, if ever tried it at senior level. Let's just say you've taken possession and immediately an opponent is approaching you head on. In order to get a half second to decide what I'd do next I used to thrust the ball in the direction of my opponent's face (without ever actually letting go of course). It used to be enough to make your opponent blink/flinch and using that very brief loss of concentration I could then jink away or offload to a team mate.

I'm not sure if that counts as fouling the ball? I must try it this weekend to see if I can get away with it. Of course at adult level if I do it, I'd be as likely to get it slapped away from my hands.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 18/06/2015 15:20:48    1739122

Dubsfan28
County: Dublin
Posts: 853

1739100 Why is Kevin being singled out for this? You would think that no other player in the history of the GAA has done this.

He definitely introduced this scourge on our game.

He should get a long ban. Send out a message good and early to discourage copycats.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 18/06/2015 15:32:58    1739128

Very interesting post. I would not single out MCMenimin, rather I would include him in a list with about several hundred other GAA players from inter county all the way down to club. 4 steps is a ridiculous rule, and it is never enforced. It seems that refs impose the rule of law according to time between solos or hops rather than steps. I remember the monaghan goalie 2 years ago taking 15 steps at the very end of a game, and getting away with it. It seems that the steps rule is a guideline for players rather than a strict rule of thumb. Impossible to get around a defender if you take only 4 steps before hoping or soloing a ball. Ask Paddy McBrearty this, or any good forward in the game for that matter. I would say to any player to ride your luck with steps, as you will most likely get away with it.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/06/2015 15:38:13    1739132

18/06/2015 12:46:15
samforlilly
County: Kildare
Posts: 2

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Hi all

The rule book states 3 but players tend to get a way with four.

Its nothing against Kevin but I have watched numerous clips and he takes 7-8 steps without playing the ball.

Is there an allowance by refs because players like Kevin have short strides?

Interested to hear peoples views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7fjbpcpiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B8yqLAX7iE



You have no clue what your talking about.

What rule book have you been looking at?

Leper wasn't fouled by the way. Pat Maceneany has pretty much said he was conscious of the fact Coulter was in the square.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 18/06/2015 15:39:28    1739134

If you're going to pick out a Kildare man for this at least go for the best example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1MvfCIlXA

Think the person who titled the video is even a little short saying 10!!!

I do agree on McManamon being a top offender for fouling the ball though although he is hardly the only one. I'm not sure Colm McFadden for example has ever scored a point without fouling his man first. Tomas O'Connor is pretty fond of a hand off too.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 18/06/2015 15:47:54    1739140

I do it myself. Everyone does. And then i will scream and shout "steps" to a referee everytime i see someone else trying to do the same. You can't single out anyone for this. I think all attackers try to do it as you travel faster when you don't have to hop or solo the ball. You know fairly on in a game wheather or not a ref is going to pull you on it. If he does then you don't do it again.

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 18/06/2015 15:58:07    1739144

lol

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 18/06/2015 16:27:42    1739162

Always thought the mind games are left to the managers.

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 18/06/2015 16:37:53    1739166

I'm a bit of a divil for taking too many steps myself, told the handbrake I was heading to the shop yesterday evening but took too many steps and ended up in the pub, no problem taking too many steps coming home though.......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/06/2015 17:10:43    1739185

It's like a lot of rules in the GAA, more there for guidance than anything else.

With the pressure players in possession come under nowadays the four step rule is outdated, six would probably be closer to the proper figure.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 18/06/2015 17:14:03    1739186

McManaman is probably the most obvious one these days. But there are others. Count the steps for Gary Sice's goal at the weekend, he takes 8 steps, hops the ball and takes 7 more, all the while unchallenged. In the same game the galway corner forward cummins was doing something similar for most of the game, and he got called on it in the second half. Another one I recall was alan brogan, where he used to put his hand up over the ball as if he was going to hop it, and hold it up there for another 3 steps before finally hopping.

There is some leeway, as there should be, when a guy is being tackled, but this thing of charging past the opponent, I think, should be called up. When you have the black card cracking down on defenders, it is only right that the opponent cant just charge past them without playing the ball.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/06/2015 17:14:59    1739188

samforlilly,

Hopefully Kevin bangs in a couple of goals on Sunday week while taking 10 steps each because of what you said :)

Ha, now that you've sown the seed DubsFan so do I. Here's to getting away with an overcarry! Though having said that I don't know how many times I shouted "Steps!!!" at the ref last night at the club game I was watching. As others have said, loads of players across the country at all levels do it and get away with it on a matchly basis so no point in singling an individual out (unless that point is attempted mindgames as alluded to).

And on that note I'm away here to start a thread on 'How Refereeing decisions against Antrim in Qualifiers matches (most notably Laois) have been unjust and its about time something is done about it'

is there a character limit on Topic titles?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 18/06/2015 17:49:59    1739201

I would agree that lads with short strides get away with it more!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 18/06/2015 18:44:28    1739216

Also about 1 minute after that I remember Kevin Mcmenamin hopped the ball twice in front of his own 21 metre line....

PoppinPoints (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 18/06/2015 20:09:35    1739250

If you want to single out a player over the steps rule, let's single out the one player in the GAA who doesn't break it.
He's hanging out with the fella who doesn't appeal for a 45 or a sideline ball even when he knows he got the last touch.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 18/06/2015 21:15:28    1739272

INTERESTING POST AND VERY RELEVENT

WHAT CAN BE DONE THOUGH,

ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO COUNT HIS SHORT STRIDES

DO REFS READ THESE POSTS ?

RedCarrot (Laois) - Posts: 91 - 23/06/2015 18:52:06    1741773

Paddy McBrearty seems to manage a fair few as well.

Like McManaman he has a low centre of gravity which for some reason disguises the number of steps taken.

Not the biggest problem we face today.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/06/2015 19:18:41    1741792

Of course paddy has the same style as Kev Muck sure there both from the same part of Dublin he learnt off the master.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/06/2015 19:49:23    1741812

We'll I think common sense should prevail. It says 4 steps but I think everyone knows that's it's a judgement call. We all know when players are takin the p*ss. I would say that Kevin McM definitely over carried for that goal in '11 final. If you were to call a free a player takes 5 or 6 the game would be a farce.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 23/06/2015 20:03:29    1741819