The Reilly incident happened in front of us as we where right behind the Westmeath Bench, and it was clear that his intention was to clip the players legs from underneath him, and he, he actually clipped him twice, just to make sure.
a few minutes earlier he did a similar thing to the same player (off the ball) which was witnessed by the linesman.
it looked like the linesman mentioned this to the ref.
I believed the Ref was correct and that the card was justified.

notimpressed (UK) - Posts: 98 - 30/06/2015 13:15:12    1745379

Thomas Clarke

Again I know Tyrone are not in the same place they were in 2013 and certainly not as good as the great AI winning team of the last decade but here's the thing, we've actually gotten worse since 2013 as well. We were no great shakes in 2013 but the green shoots of progress were there for us, however for whatever reason we've slowly crept back since then and I've been defending O'Dowd all the way but now I've had enough.

I don't want to let the players off the hook either, they're the ones who panicked and collapsed in Croker on Sunday and it was a horrific sight for Meath fans. We don't have any fight in us like we used to, it just isn't there so if we go ahead and Tyrone rally, we're screwed, also if we fall behind we're screwed because there's no fight in the team.

I know Tyrone fans don't want to take anything for granted so they'll probably show us a lot of respect but deep down I think we both know that barring a complete no show by Tyrone, Saturday week will be the end of our summer.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/06/2015 13:58:27    1745433

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7725

1745334
S goldrick. So can i take it when graham Reilly card is rescinded you will com on here and admit you made a mistake??

are Meath appealing it ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2015 14:00:40    1745436

Did wexford not do something similiar against Meath back in 07 or 08?

THey were 10 points down I think in the second half and won.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/06/2015 16:06:05    1745546

Daytona, twas '08 as far as I recall, Colm Coyle in charge, 10pts up at half time and Matty Ford beat us by himself. Then went to Limerick and were about 20pts down before losing by 10/11. At this stage it's not a novelty seeing a Meath team collapse in the 2nd half, would love to say I was surprised by it but unfortunately not. Did the same thing last year against Kildare, and by the time you realised we were there for the taking, time ran out. No leadership on the field, and by the looks of it, confusion on the sideline as to what to do.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 30/06/2015 16:40:44    1745569

Clondalkdub

You are commenting on one Meath game,you would know more if you seen them play often enough.Far too often we look out on our feet in the last 15-20mins.Its obvious the team are not fit enough.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/06/2015 16:49:07    1745576

RD

McMahon,Reilly and Wallace will not get so much space the next day.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/06/2015 16:52:19    1745579

Yes Meath are appealing it.
Just out of interest why has no one highlighted the 3 black card offenses committed on Reilly beforehand??
It was a tangle of legs plain and simple. Yes from the refs view it looked like a trip but it wasn't and the linesman who had a similar view as myself should have made it known.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/06/2015 17:02:08    1745591

Interesting article from Dennis Glennon from last December.

Were Meath unfit or were Westmeath superfit?

Westmeath appear to have adapted their training to the old Mick O'Dwyer handbook of running laps - they certainly have looked good in the final 1/4 of all their matches in the championship.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229467

ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 30/06/2015 17:16:21    1745598

Normally in gaa history your team mimics ur manager is he honest tough no bull little edgy Westmeath I think have there man. We haven't full stop. No tackles contact minimal soft underbelly it seems.tou pick ur stock to suit micro picked his now is feeling the sting of it. Hope I'm totally wrong come 2 weeks but not hopeful if honest.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 30/06/2015 17:42:10    1745612

Yes Reilly was probably deservedly black carded but the number 5 shouldn't have been on the pitch still due too persistant pulling dragging and late hits after Reilly kicked it. Typical ref decision to be honest.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 891 - 30/06/2015 17:59:26    1745618

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7728

1745591
Yes Meath are appealing it.
Just out of interest why has no one highlighted the 3 black card offenses committed on Reilly beforehand??
It was a tangle of legs plain and simple. Yes from the refs view it looked like a trip but it wasn't and the linesman who had a similar view as myself should have made it known.

royaldunne: Its not surprising that Meath will appeal as he is their key player (apart from Reilly) - but from the angle that I've seen, Biggy went in with studs up in order to take the man out as he was breaking away from him. It was a cheap and nasty tackle - similar to what backs do when they stand on a forward achilles as they run out after a score - Put the arms up and claim it was a tangle of legs.

ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 30/06/2015 18:03:16    1745622

How people are still claiming the reilly incident was a black card is beyond me, I didn't have a good view of it in at the match so i rewatched the game when I got home and even the commentator said it was a harsh call, in fact joe brolly and the lads off newstalk all said it shouldn't have been a black card as well. it was totally unintentional, you could see by reillys body language that he didn't think it was a going to be a black card, he actually went to catch the ball to give to the other player thinking he was just getting on with the game and when he seen the black card he looked totally shocked, if we had done it intentionally he would've been nervous seeing what colour the card would be but he wasn't because he didn't do it on purpose.

meathalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 30/06/2015 18:09:15    1745623

lets be totally honest, Reilly's trip was clearly intentional. he might have tried to make it look accidental, and the speed at which he put his arms up was more of an indication of him trying to hide the deliberate nature of the trip.
their are those that are claiming that his actions after the trip show that it was unintentional, that he put his hands up and that he was preparing to get on with the play and that he looked shocked at the production of the card. I would say that the post trip performance was indeed Oscar winning stuff, but if you are looking at a true reflection of his thoughts just re-look at the incident, and then at the fact that when the Westmeath man went in to get the ball after the incident that reilly lashed out with a "flaying arm" at the player.(and before you claim that he was just defending himself) why the need to defend yourself when "you've done nothing wrong, when it was an accident"
As for his dramatics and acting ability, one incident in the first half where he collided with westhmeaths number 7, and went to ground clutching his face and then received treatment on his face. the replay showed quite clearly that the collision was upper body with at no time any contact with the face.
Reilly attemped to deceive and influence the ref, and tried to claim innocences later when he deliberately trip the Westmeaths player.
trying to deceive the ref by meath players was happening all over the pitch, O'rourkes "challenge" of Martin, and the arms wide open claiming that he was being held????? of the way Meath earn the free for their last score, a tug (which was free worthy) was turned into a dramatic arms in the air collapsed to the ground.
so please don't use a player acting ability, or his ability to be 'cute' as some proof that he was innocent.

Card: deserved
Appealing Card: a desperate attempt to gloss over the problems with Meath football, by being able to claim (if they are successful, which they should not be)that the black-card changed the game.
next we will hear that you will be challenging the red card on O'Rourke because Martins head hurt the Keepers Shoulders.

notimpressed (UK) - Posts: 98 - 01/07/2015 09:01:14    1745752

The problem is from the county board right down to the fans living in the past

shrek95 (Meath) - Posts: 77 - 01/07/2015 09:38:27    1745780

notimpressed
County: UK
Posts: 77

1745752 lets be totally honest, Reilly's trip was clearly intentional. he might have tried to make it look accidental, and the speed at which he put his arms up was more of an indication of him trying to hide the deliberate nature of the trip.
their are those that are claiming that his actions after the trip show that it was unintentional, that he put his hands up and that he was preparing to get on with the play and that he looked shocked at the production of the card. I would say that the post trip performance was indeed Oscar winning stuff, but if you are looking at a true reflection of his thoughts just re-look at the incident, and then at the fact that when the Westmeath man went in to get the ball after the incident that reilly lashed out with a "flaying arm" at the player.(and before you claim that he was just defending himself) why the need to defend yourself when "you've done nothing wrong, when it was an accident"
As for his dramatics and acting ability, one incident in the first half where he collided with westhmeaths number 7, and went to ground clutching his face and then received treatment on his face. the replay showed quite clearly that the collision was upper body with at no time any contact with the face.
Reilly attemped to deceive and influence the ref, and tried to claim innocences later when he deliberately trip the Westmeaths player.
trying to deceive the ref by meath players was happening all over the pitch, O'rourkes "challenge" of Martin, and the arms wide open claiming that he was being held????? of the way Meath earn the free for their last score, a tug (which was free worthy) was turned into a dramatic arms in the air collapsed to the ground.
so please don't use a player acting ability, or his ability to be 'cute' as some proof that he was innocent.

Card: deserved
Appealing Card: a desperate attempt to gloss over the problems with Meath football, by being able to claim (if they are successful, which they should not be)that the black-card changed the game.
next we will hear that you will be challenging the red card on O'Rourke because Martins head hurt the Keepers Shoulders.

Seeing as you have devoted so much time to the subject you should have noted that Mick O'Dowd stated clearly that the black card Grahan Reilly got did not influence the outcome so there will be no desperate attempt involved in this, perhaps you should go find another dog to kick.....

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 01/07/2015 10:35:04    1745825

Watched the full second half again.From the throw in,Meath were not at the races.For first 10 mins of half,Westmeath had 65% possession.And it only got worse from there.Meath were truly rubbish.Ive never seen a Meath team as poor.No organisation in the backline and a non existent midfield.To be outscored 2-8 to 0-1 in last 20 minutes is hardly believable.Not against Kerry or Dublin.Westmeath are decent but come on!Some of the Meath defenders near the end looked like poor minor players.It has to be seen to be believed.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/07/2015 11:46:26    1745866

cuederocket

Sadly I have seen Meath as bad before, Wexford in 2008 is a prime example and on a personal level I took that defeat way worse than Westmeath on sunday, I don't know why exactly, maybe it was because I was younger and took defeats to heart more then. I really don't mind the fact that this is Westmeath's first win over us, I know it means a lot to them (understandably) but records are not set to last and anyway they should have really beaten us 12 years ago, so well done to them.

What can I say, we don't have our house in order at County Board or Club level so what else can we expect at inter county level. Also basically none of our u21 or minor players will have seen Meath as a successful team so the natural confidence and swagger is gone, but it's been gone for years now, it's by no means a recent problem.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/07/2015 12:23:31    1745908