hill16no1man
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on the stroke of the 70 minute meath came bearing down on goal and the player in possesion
had two choices go for his point and level the game and give meath the momentum
or take it on for goal himself
he decided to pass it to a guy who was in no position to shoot at all
and was swallowed up by 3 westmeath players
greahme reilly or not if meath had of taken either of the two options he had
heslin would not have gone up the field and scored the goal to put the game to bed

Hill It was Padraig Harnan, I think he's a good player and he seems to be playing well in the new centre forward role although everyone in meath would know him primarily as a defender.

I completely agree with you here whether you're a forward or back any intercounty footballer should be able to fist the ball over the bar from the 14 yard line.

The same thing happened to Micky Burke in the first half he received the ball after wallace ran in from the left hand side and instead of shooting for goal/point he passed to mcmahon in a worse position and put it wide.

Both instances the ball was passed to MCMahon when the passer should have taken it on themselves, these are the mistakes that cost games.

Uncle_Fester (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 30/06/2015 09:11:38    1745153

Quite a good piece here, says a lot......


http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mick-odowd-takes-up-fight-after-royal-surrender-its-incredible-the-criticism-pointed-at-meath-31339225.html

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 30/06/2015 09:15:36    1745155

look (as Tomas O Se might say 100 times in the one show), will people stop claiming that Graham Reilly's Black card was wrong. It was clearly the correct decision . I said it at the time before I seen a replay and the replays confirmed it. It is a deliberate trip (not accidental). If you can't see that then I suggest a visit to specsavers. I mean some people on here came out and said that Paddy O' Rourkes's Red was unjust, again You could not wish to see a more blatant and highly dangerous tackle. I actually believe that the refs are beginning to use the black card correctly. The only one I seen this year that was incorrect was Martin Reilly (ironically for my own team) and before you start saying that I am biased. The card was actually rescinded afterwards. (much good that done us as the harm was done on the day :))

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2015 09:15:37    1745156

ClondalkinDub I think any fan who's been following meath the past 3 years is going to be a disappointing with MOD, it's the same reoccurring issues every game. The most frustrating is the lack of a defensive strategy.

Meath weren't doing great at midfield Sunday but Rooney and Tormey looked exhausted leaving the pitch and once they left our midfield was completely non existent. He can't be blamed for Reilly black card but I think he can be blamed for K.Reilly staying on the pitch injured unable to play the sweeper role anymore.

Going forward MOD makes Meath look great but his defensive structure and in game decisions have come to really frustrate me over the last 3 years.

Uncle_Fester (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 30/06/2015 09:15:58    1745157

I appreciate the sentiments brend, but I really can't see this games as 50/50. I know neither Tyrone nor Meath are what they once were but Harte is a shrewd manager and beating Meath doesn't take much these days so he'll have an effective plan to deal with us, also Cavanagh is a class act and will make hay against us again.

I know Armagh ambushed you's last year, but they were an imposing team with a good defensive structure, I can assure we're neither of those things. I hope we can put on a performance but based on recent history we haven't reacted well at all to crushing defeats so there isn't much reason to believe that will change now.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/06/2015 10:08:26    1745180

So Meath would've won had Reilly stayed on? Really magnifies his decision to intentionally trip an opponent and get appropriately punished with a black card.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 30/06/2015 10:25:13    1745192

the panel were explaining on the Sunday Game how Meath didn't have the killer instinct to put the game to bed and how westmeath did. they cited John Heslin's goal at the end as an example. well Mickey Newman came up the field towards the end and he tried for a goal when a point was on but it was saved, so Meath DID have the killer instinct but unfortunately on this occasion it didn't work out and with the benefit of hindsight (which is 20/20 vision) Newman and later on Harnon should have taken their points.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2015 10:39:13    1745201

I noticed Mick O'Dowd has said the team ran out of steam.So he is basically admitting that the team are not fit enough?

He also goes on and on about the team been young and lacking experience,yet he brings on Joey Wallace late in the day.I'm sick of him making this kind of excuse.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/06/2015 10:46:53    1745210

Mick O Dowd can not be blamed for that loss on Sunday no way how can you blame a manager whose team is coasting for 50 minutes playing some of the best football I've seen this year from any team it was so easy for them it was a stroll in the park Meath should have been 20 points up not 9 then out of nowhere Westmeath get a goal and this young Meath team without the experience of Reilly start to panic and once panic sets in your goosed (trust me we know about panic more than any other county over the years) the manager can try change things but it's too late the players heads are gone and there just trying to hold on. But no way is that loss down to Mick O Dowd.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/06/2015 10:54:43    1745220

goldrick

thats true,but I think real problem is the fitness issue,I have noticed this in many games and that along with poor defensive structure cost us a lot more and would be a bigger concern than a few misses.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/06/2015 10:59:07    1745226

ziggy32001
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I noticed Mick O'Dowd has said the team ran out of steam.So he is basically admitting that the team are not fit enough?

He also goes on and on about the team been young and lacking experience,yet he brings on Joey Wallace late in the day.I'm sick of him making this kind of excuse.

In fairness he said they ran themselves into the ground, I don't doubt their fitness but experience and mental resolve are an issue. Management can't make Mickey Newman tap a ball over a bar or pass to a better placed player in the final minutes and I'm not having a pop at Newman just a forward of more experience and maturity would have taken the better option there. Personally I didn't agree with the Rooney or Burke substitutions but when you lead by 9 after 50 mins and end up losing there are no amount of substitutions that can be used as excuses for that turnaround. We have mental deficiencies in this team and there are scars that have left permanent damage, the article I gave a link to above highlights that perfectly, we in Meath have at times been our own worst enemies over the past 5 years and over the past 48 hours I have decided I am not going to put the boot into a young manager who has done his best and put serious effort to rebuild a squad with the best players available and trying to build up a county that had been through a traumatic and disturbing few years with dirt linen being flaunted about with reckless abandon on a regular basis, I actually applaud the man for having the desire and will to try and clean up the obvious mess in front of him.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 30/06/2015 11:13:43    1745243

clondalkindub

It's no bloody good playing great football for 50mins and then falling apart in the last 20 mins, which is something we're regularly doing now. He comes out saying we lack maturity and ran ourselves into the ground, well this can't be acceptable when he's the one picking the players and ultimately responsible for the team's fitness as well. I know he has us playing some great attacking football but in our last 3 Leinster games we've conceded 3-20, 3-12 and 3-19, that's appalling stuff, again we don't have AI level players but we're better than that, something is very wrong.

Like I said before I blame the players more than O'Dowd but he has to take a large chunk of the blame also, he's the man in charge and for the last 3 years we've consistently finished a lot of championship games out on our feet. Now his 3 year term is up at the end of this year and sadly he hasn't done enough to retain his position as manager.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/06/2015 11:17:18    1745251

I dont think G Reilly showed his leadership skills in receiving a merited black card.Really was a silly tackle.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/06/2015 11:31:53    1745260

But how can that be the managers fault? can he see into the future and know at 50 minutes Meath will collapse ? Not at all its up to the players the manager can only do so much the rest is up to the players.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/06/2015 11:41:13    1745265

Interesting article richieq.The Joe Sheridan curse struck again on Sunday.Everything does indeed seem to have gone wrong since that fateful day.It was wrong at the time what Meath did.In my opinion - forget about offering Louth a replay - Meath should have manned up and offered the trophy to Louth.That was my personnel feeling at the time.It hasnt changed since.Joe Sheridan will always be remembered for the wrong reason and im sure some of the Meath players do not remember the day with fondness.Looks like their were no winners that day.Bad karma for all concerned.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/06/2015 11:50:16    1745276

People need to realise that there were too good young teams playing there on Sunday, both with a future. I often think it is better to be behind at half time because it gives the other team a false sense of well being and the manager can't get to them when you go for broke at them. Most of the top teams (maybe not Mayo) would have shut up shop to some degree with Meath's lead though. Management have to take some responsibility for this, still it was pretty stuff, the phrase "bimbo" comes to mind

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 30/06/2015 12:02:56    1745294

Htaem, here are a few thoughts that may give you cause for optimism.

- Tyrone were very poor against Limerick. We moved the ball slowly out of a packed defence, and then proceeded to shuffle it sideways, allowing Limerick to reorganise at the back. We lack any penetration or speed of delivery and, as a result, We don't create many chances.

- Our big names are out of form. Sean Cavanagh looks a shadow of the player who terrorised Meath 2 years ago, while McCurry was so poor he was replaced after half an hour on Sunday. Mattie Donnelly is another who is not playing as well as last year. Mickey has picked more or less the same side all year, so there's no reason to expect any dramatic changes. We are what we are.

- We are a soft touch in Omagh. We have failed to win any of our last 7 league/championship games at home when facing division 1 or 2 opposition (3 draws and 4 defeats).

- In our last 10 league/championship games, we have amassed a paltry score total of 5-110. This equates to a scoring average of 12.5 points per game.

- Only twice in our last 10 league/championship games have we scored more than 12 times (0-17 against Kerry and 1-14 against Limerick).

- Tyrone have always struggled against Meath. In our last 3 championship meetings we went in as favourites, yet were well beaten twice (1996 & 2007), and just scraped home in 2013.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 30/06/2015 12:07:02    1745298

Looking at the next game against Tyrone I don't know what Meath will come out against us in Healy Park.

1. A defeated team that still haven't got over a disheartening defeat last Sunday
2. A team that come out with a bit of character and give it their all to beat Tyrone

Now I can't say I know a lot about this current crop of Meath players but comparing the two halves Meath were praised to the hill at half time and torn apart at full time but westmeath never backed down against them. to score 2-18 in a game 99% of the time your going to win but to concede 3-19 proves there is something wrong in the defence which I hope Tyrone can exploit. Tyrone's style of football of crowding inside the 45 there will be no chance of scoring near what you did on Sunday and we will have well Bray covered the question will be how Meath will deal with the wave of people running at them when their attack breaks down.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 30/06/2015 12:09:41    1745302

Look the only bit of optimism i have garnered is from the post above, about having bray well covered. That i think is fine with Meath, just leave McMahon Wallace and in particular Reilly to do there stuff and we will win. However i cant see that happening, we have realistically 3 players who can shoot from 45 with accuracy Reilly obviously, tormey who had a nightmare on Sunday and Gillespie who may not be back. But if we pull Wallace and McMahon out and they run then Tyrone could foul.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/06/2015 12:26:40    1745330

S goldrick. So can i take it when graham Reilly card is rescinded you will com on here and admit you made a mistake??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/06/2015 12:29:19    1745334