Chriscart: Unfortunately I have to agree with your assessment. Neither Kildare, Meath or Westmeath have enough quality to trouble Dublin. Only realistic chance is that the Dubs have an absolute stinker and whatever the opposition has one of those days when everything goes their way. It's got to the stage now that every team in Leinster is beaten before they kick a ball against the Dubs. It has to be in the minds of the players as well when you consider the trashings that have been handed out over the last few years, not to mention all the media heaping it on the Dubs. How you actually counteract this is a major problem for all concerned, as unless you can actually be competitive with them, it simply re-enforces a defeatist frame of mind which leads to further trashings.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 22/06/2015 16:27:25    1741065

Ill stay on for this one, can see it nip and tuck for first 35/40. Then dubs will kick on. But might get complacency late on allowing Kildare some respectable score line. Dubs by 5.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/06/2015 16:32:35    1741070

the gap between the 2 teams is simply huge, there is nothing for the neutral in this game, expect kildare's midfield to be blown away and attack after attack to result in score after score for dublin. Dubs by 14+

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 22/06/2015 17:01:53    1741092

Not going to game. As far as league games, underage, juvenile coaching, officiating and any other activity your average GAA volunteer gets involved during their life you could maybe call me a die-hard in Kildare but couldn't be bothered with this. And I now live in Dublin!

People can go on all they want about Leinster counties whinging but the sheer facts are that there is no single way you could portray this game where both teams are starting from an even playing field. The facts are they are facing identical challenges but are being equipped to tackle these completely differently. Any appeal of this fixture is just lost on me. I'll save my money and see ye on the road in the qualifiers.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 22/06/2015 17:20:19    1741103

Kildare posters throwing in towels all over the place here.

Hope the players have a bit more fight in them.

Donegal have a lot more disadvantages then Kildare have, didn't stop them beating them last year. Same for Mayo in 2012.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1133 - 22/06/2015 17:53:21    1741130

suits us to play up to the underdog tag. Players will be giving it everything. Dublin a div 1 team with proven all Ireland crudentials. Also bookies favourites to win all ireland outright. They have also dominated in Leinster for years. Interested to know why you think Donegal and Mayo were in a worse place then Kildare when they defeated Dublin in previous years? We have lost key players in key positions. Paddy Brophy, Sean Hurley and Dan Flynn all headed abroad to play in Australia. We also struggle at midfield. I can't say the same for either of Dublin Mayo or Donegal who some of strongest midfields in the country.

Kildare30 (Kildare) - Posts: 603 - 22/06/2015 18:17:23    1741142

Why are you surprised . Historically they have been weak minded

MartinGerard (Longford) - Posts: 275 - 22/06/2015 18:23:17    1741146

I think we'll bring about 12 thousand to be honest

11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 22/06/2015 18:29:45    1741148

Two teams in two different places. Dublin trying to re-group and make another credible All Ireland attempt and Kildare trying to re-build and improve on a poor league and modest start to the campaign. Dublin rightly clear favourites but i'd expect fight in Kildare for this.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 22/06/2015 19:04:36    1741175

MartinGerard
Would you like to expand on that or give an example of when longford have beaten Kildare at any level?

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 22/06/2015 19:36:33    1741191

doublehop
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1741103
Not going to game. As far as league games, underage, juvenile coaching, officiating and any other activity your average GAA volunteer gets involved during their life you could maybe call me a die-hard in Kildare but couldn't be bothered with this. And I now live in Dublin!

People can go on all they want about Leinster counties whinging but the sheer facts are that there is no single way you could portray this game where both teams are starting from an even playing field. The facts are they are facing identical challenges but are being equipped to tackle these completely differently. Any appeal of this fixture is just lost on me. I'll save my money and see ye on the road in the qualifiers.

Thats a complete cop out Doublehop, were you saying the same when ye were under mcGeeney, were you staying at home then ,our Population , playing at home , finances were still the same then, No difference now is Kildare are in Div 3 and havnt moved on under Ryan as expected,ye have spent a few quid in your quest for a Leinster title and in the training stakes and nutrition Kildare would not be stuck , Whats the diffence between ye and Monaghon.
Tipperary arent starting out in Munster football with the same resources as kerry ( who get huge financial backing, but barely gets a mention) plus their best players chose hurling and they also have to compete against Cork. should their supporters stay at home.
I will agree Dublins dominance in Leinster does not help , but a lot of ye are just looking for a reason and Dublin is the easy target.
Laois losing at home to Antrim was their fault not Dublins, Meaths inability over years to sort out their youth structure was their fault not Dublins. Kildares waste of money , wasting time targeting players , spending a lot of money bringing in outside mmangers and only consentrating on the senior team which is costing them now , was their fault not Dublins.
Dublin playing home games in croker in Leinster is not any of those counties fault ,that shouldnt happen ,also more money should be spread to weaker counties. But dont always blame us because we identified that underage was the problem and we have worked very hard on this.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 22/06/2015 21:59:45    1741293

Kildare30

Emigration is par for the course for counties like Mayo and Donegal.
Mayo have two lads out in Australia at the moment (one all ireland minor winner and one U21 all Ireland winner).

Waving excuses is not going to beat Dublin.
AthClaith is correct. Kildare waste thousands on certain things admin wont put up and pumping money into the senior team at the expense of their underage and clubs. Emigration in Kildare is not a big issue.

To challenge Dublin, you need to focus on the underage teams first. Get them used to beating Dublin and lose the fear of the blue jersey.
Focus on the league and stay in Div 1 for a few years and get used to playing a consistant high standard in every match. Then Kildare can challenge Dublin on a regular basis. Hanging around in Div 2/3 and hoping for a big performance once a year just wont do it.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1133 - 23/06/2015 09:06:05    1741316

First off over the years ive had many a run in with dh but in his defense he is a great lover of Kildare football and football in general, i got to say his post did take me back a bit , but i think as Sunday approaches he will head to croker. Its just that at the moment there is a bit of despair within Leinster county supporters, i can guarantee that every Kildare player will believe they can ambush dubs on Sunday, atha just to be clear Meath have (granted only in past couple of years) but at least they have put in the proper underage structures.
I actually agree that dubs should not play all matches in hq, always said same but that's not putting out excuses its stating a opinion. Simple.
Dh head there on Sunday, can you imagine blitzing a few goals in and not been there?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/06/2015 09:17:18    1741320

Of course it would be great if a different team broke the mould and got to lenister final, but have to be realistic, i think kildare win over laois was lucky in that looking at high lights from sunday game, laois missed penalty also miss opportunity with one on one with goalkeeper for forward to put it wide and then laois keeper make a mistake with short kick out. That a 9 point swing for kildare which i think if they did not get would have struggled go get win over laois. I do hope kildare play well and make dublin fight till end, and even if dublin do win they do need games now that they are tested on. In there game against longford they learnt nothing about them selves.

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 23/06/2015 10:01:18    1741346

1/33 is an insult to Kildare Football....

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 23/06/2015 10:19:08    1741356

I can see my day going a bit like this:
I will go down for the minor match, watch that and the Westmeath v Meath match intently and then probably head to the bar after about 10/15 mins of the senior game and watch the hammering sipping on a pint.

That is being realistic, I hope it doesn't work out that way. And I hope Kildare put it up to Dublin but I just can't see it. It was a bit of a freak result against Laois and Laois should have gotten over the line in the first game.
If Dublin win by less than the handicap that the bookies suggest then management will not be happy.

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 23/06/2015 10:21:35    1741358

Agree with you madbull. I was at the original Laois Kildare fixture (only because it followed the Galway Dublin hurling replay) and Laois would have won that day if they had taken their change. They looked slightly the better team. But it seems Laois imploded, as they often do, in the replay.

I suppose Kildare will give a game to Dublin for 35 mins. But they have no cutting edge and will find it hard to score against a good team, which Dublin surely are.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 23/06/2015 10:23:48    1741359

It's a no win situation for Dublin. Expected to win easily and if they dont win by 10 plus it will be deemed as poor enough. This isn't doing Dublin any good either as Kerry and Donegal and now Mayo are getting harder provincial challenges before they encounter a big fish.For all the so called benefits we still are at a disadvantage in other ways.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 23/06/2015 10:31:11    1741369

GAAHatrick, I would expect your assessment is realistic.And because it is realistic, it raises the question about what is the future of the GAA. I take it you are a strong GAA man with a deep interest in gaelic games. Yet you are attending a major championship game on Sunday and expecting it to be a boring experience. The chances of the next generation attending games or maintaining an interest in GAA while stimultaneously being bored by what's on offer, are very very slim. The youth today are big into rugby especially and to be honest about it I cannot see that and future generations having GAA as their first love when the result of high profile games deep into the GAA calendar are predictable (this is even to leave aside the vexed question of the entertainment value of watching blanket defences in action). As I see it, we are moving to a situation where the majority of people will start taking an interest in the GAA championship from late July onwards,their interest will remain piqued until the All Ireland finals in Sept, and then it will be back for the next 10 months to their new main sporting interests, soccer and especially rugby.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 23/06/2015 10:59:15    1741393

Kildare had three clear cut goal chances the first day against Laois and didn't take any. If one of those goes in Kildare would have probably won comfortably. Kildare took their goal chances in the replay and although there were individual errors by Laois players they had plenty of time to respond. Kildare also beat Laois in the National League. To say the replay was a freak result is not very accurate.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 23/06/2015 11:08:14    1741407