heMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13268

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Interesting how this game could go. The last time Dublin faced a blanket defence in the championship they bottled it. If Kildare can get that doubt going again, this Dublin squad might just wilt a second time.

Master
coming from a lad who bristles any time the word 'bottle' is mentioned that comment is fairly ironic. As you come from the county the has brought 'bottling' to a whole new level I think most will ignore it for what it is.

Riverboys
wouldn't matter a damn where its played. As one Kildare poster put it. even when they were good they couldn't beat us. Example,2009. Even with D Earley give a man of the match performance (he was outstanding that day), with an extra man for half of match they still couldn't beat us.
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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 16/06/2015 11:06:48    1737839

Jimbodub , Derry did park the bus as you say , but that's one part of the Donegal stratagey the other is hitting on the counter in waves of three at pace with quality players .Derry never looked like putting the scores on the board that Donegal could .
They hit hard , don't just clog space, and hunt in packs .
You are doing Donegal a massive disservice if you think Kildare or Donegal light as you see them , if you think training sessions can be a substitute for the Donegal stratagey
You mention Dublin changing tactic but we didn't win an All Ireland until following year when everyone was comfortable .
I will be delighted if your right not from a watching point of view , but from the point that if as you feel they do a Donegal light it will be better preparation than Longford , its just Im not seeing it .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/06/2015 11:19:11    1737849

Aido69
Master
coming from a lad who bristles any time the word 'bottle' is mentioned that comment is fairly ironic. As you come from the county the has brought 'bottling' to a whole new level I think most will ignore it for what it is.

The only issue I have with the term bottling, is when it is used in a situation that isn't actually bottling. I mean Kerry in the 2000s were the best team since the great Kerry team of the 70s. When you are the complete underdog - unexpected to even be in the final, and you end up getting soundly beaten by a team like that, it isn't bottling.

Dublin however, had the best squad in the country by a distance. Their entire bench would probably start for donegal, bar maybe the sub gk. To be completely out of the game with 20 minutes to go in such circumstances, in all fairness, the shoe fits.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/06/2015 11:44:57    1737872

Dublin however, had the best squad in the country by a distance. Their entire bench would probably start for donegal, bar maybe the sub gk. To be completely out of the game with 20 minutes to go in such circumstances, in all fairness, the shoe fits.

...you could say the same for Mayo in 2012

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 16/06/2015 11:57:14    1737888

To be completely out of the game with 20 minutes to go in such circumstances, in all fairness, the shoe fits.

Master
as its early in the season I'll except it with good grace. Dublin were comprehensibly beaten by Donegal last August. Donegal were outstanding and played out of there skins so much so they were never able to repeat it. Gavin was also tactically naivee in how Dublin set up. 'Bottling' or 'choking' or whatever childish word you want to use doesn't come into it. As the season progress's we'll see though. I'd be fairly confident we're more likely to see Mayo 'bottle' it at business end of championship than Dublin.

Brynadams

Still whining. :-)

A.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 16/06/2015 12:23:33    1737912

Every time Dublin have ever lost a game they've been said to have bottled it by someone or other.

Jog on!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 16/06/2015 12:32:16    1737923

bubba83
Dublin however, had the best squad in the country by a distance. Their entire bench would probably start for donegal, bar maybe the sub gk. To be completely out of the game with 20 minutes to go in such circumstances, in all fairness, the shoe fits.

...you could say the same for Mayo in 2012

How could mayo have the best squad in the country by a distance in 2012 when they weren't even expected to make the final? Being out of a game you are expected to lose with 20 minutes to go, is very different to one where you are expected to win comfortably.


MesAmis, you can jog anywhere you like, dublin bottled it last year against donegal. They were runaway favourites and they were completely outplayed. Sorry if you don't like it, but that is a fact.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/06/2015 12:46:55    1737932

Aido69
County: Dublin
Posts: 271

Brynadams

Still whining. :-)

Aido, hardly whining old chap, we all know winning Leinsters and All Irelands, playing every game on your home ground, isn't the same as winning titles on merit.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 16/06/2015 12:53:44    1737941

Jeeze getting slagged off by a Mayo and Kildare poster

Pfffhhh...

Mayo = Laughing stock of GAA / perpetual losers / the feel sorry for brigade / hugely in debt with nothing to show for it

Kildare = Laughing stock of GAA / perpetual losers / the feel sorry for brigade / hugely in debt with nothing to show for it

Clap.. clap.. clap... you're deadly

Yes.. it sure is terrible being a Dub

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/06/2015 13:02:16    1737950

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 13729

1737950 Jeeze getting slagged off by a Mayo and Kildare poster

Pfffhhh...

Mayo = Laughing stock of GAA / perpetual losers / the feel sorry for brigade / hugely in debt with nothing to show for it

Kildare = Laughing stock of GAA / perpetual losers / the feel sorry for brigade / hugely in debt with nothing to show for it

Clap.. clap.. clap... you're deadly

Yes.. it sure is terrible being a Dub

Hey, if winning a "playing every game on your home ground" downgraded, lower status version of a title, makes you happy.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 16/06/2015 13:12:27    1737965

I agree with themaster to a certain extent - You could describe it as bottling in a way

Dublin completely lost all sort of a game plan and were all over the shop.. headless, leaderless, terrible needless wide's, totally exposed, missed frees

They weren't set-up properly and Gavin and co have to take the heat for that

The good start actually became a major hindrance in the end... it almost clouded their heads

If they were setup properly to face Donegal ala Kerry in final

We would have probably had a similar outcome to the one that Kerry enjoyed... and if not the exact same it would have been far more competitive

But sure ancient history now...

We went onto win NFL Div 1 2015 - didn't lose a game against the blanket across the league... blooded new players which look like the real deal and we had players retuning from injury, and the management setup is secure and in place with no pressure that they are one game from getting the boot

So Dublin just have to move forward now... and take each game as it comes

I think Gavin has learned from the Donegal game... Dublin had the best defensive record in NFL Div 1 and weren't far off top scorers

In fact our stats were hugely impressive - it was a very successful campaign and something to build on

That's far better balance.. and that's exactly what was needed

Now to apply that when required and see how it goes

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/06/2015 13:14:12    1737968

@Bryanadams you wouldn't know anything about winning titles on merit! Or come to think of it you wouldn't know about winning in any shape or form!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 16/06/2015 13:22:51    1737973

Ad I said Bryan.. clap clap clap

Enjoy Div 3 next year man... that the Dubs fault too is it... ?

Good luck...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/06/2015 13:23:30    1737974

Bryanadams

If we played you 10 times in a row in Newbridge.. man on man...full teams available on both sides

No injuries on both teams, blue sky, no wind, perfect pitch, top ref, umpires... completely equal set of circumstances

Every possible benefit split evenly

How many times do you think Kildare would win?

Honestly...

IMO

ZERO.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/06/2015 13:29:30    1737979

bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 577

Alright. For fun mucker. Which particular title did Dublin not deserve.

Now instead of moaning incessantly about all the 'advantages' Dublin have why cant you take a cold hard look at yourselves. Kildare up to 5 years ago would have been competitive in Leinster and further. Now yourselves and Meath have dropped so far back it'll be years before you're competitive again. Why is that? Explain to me how a counties like Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo are all able to compete with Tyrone and Cork not far off chasing pack and yous cant. How come both counties with similar population base cant step up to mark. attitude? belief?
Donegal made bits of Dublin footballers last Aug and Galway hurlers did it a couple of weeks ago. Donegal did it on our 'home' ground despite those big sponsorship deals. Any descent Kildare/Meath team worth its salt want nothing more than to beat Dublin in CP. Tell me. What's Kildares excuse.
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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 16/06/2015 13:37:36    1737984

Jeez, don't the dubs get woeful defensive when anyone points out the different status of a "playing every game on your home ground" title, and a title won on merit. Next they start arguing that a pitch is a pitch, and home advantage counts for nothing. lol.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 16/06/2015 13:56:16    1737996

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13276


MesAmis, you can jog anywhere you like, dublin bottled it last year against donegal. They were runaway favourites and they were completely outplayed. Sorry if you don't like it, but that is a fact.

Beaten very well by the better team on the day and I've no problem with that.

Call it whatever you like.

Dublin always bottle it apparently, every year since I can remember they've bottled it except for 2011 and 2013. They just almost bottled it those years.

People resort to saying teams bottled it when they wanna have a go, or they don't understand why they lost.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 16/06/2015 13:56:51    1737997

Aido69 - Agree with you I think our problem is just losing a few key players down the years and not being able to find the same talent but our time will come again as all it is is cycles Meath were great 80s and 90s Dublin didn't win a leinster from 95 to 02 it will all change again sometime. Beating Dublin in croke park is great I wouldn't swap it for any other Gaa Ground in the country it is nearly our home ground also as if we win our Leinster qf every year we normally only have to play that 1 game outside of Croker same as Kildare.

RoyalToon (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 16/06/2015 14:02:21    1738006

Well said aido!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 16/06/2015 14:03:20    1738008

Dublin will win this by about 6 points

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/06/2015 14:08:11    1738016