yes I noticed the Dubs leaving early last Sunday, never happy are they? Leaving because they were winning by too much.A few years back on the August bank holiday Monday they were leaving because they were losing by too much! The 'earwigs' game.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 05/06/2015 10:28:10    1732662

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We're obviously coming at this from different angles Fabio. You obviously think that involvement in a club automatically entitles you to AI final tickets etc. irrespective of whether that means that those who have been following the county all year get put out or not. I simply disagree with you.

But it does entitle you to a ticket, you work hard for the game, for nothing the least you can expect is a damn ticket (to buy at face value) - or at least the right to refuse it.

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Silly argument, but maybe we have to be more precise about who is and isn't entitled to one. I have no problem with fellas from clubs, who are genuine fans of the county teams AND GO TO THE GAMES, being offered tickets. I think this is what Fabio is saying also. That's fine and if they are not season ticket holders then no problem with them getting their regular tickets through clubs. My big problem is with fellas who surface from the club scene in the summer from AI 1/4s on if Dubs get there, with their hand out for tickets because they mentor a few kids. Sorry but jog on. I think this is what Hill is saying and I agree. I don't care what you do for your club and how many budding Ciaran Whelans you are coaching, you have no right to deprive others, who go to all games, of tickets just because you want to head in with the hordes, get a tan and have a few pints. That has been my general experience within the three clubs that I have been associated with over the years and it bugs me. End of.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 05/06/2015 12:20:08    1732737

Hill16man not all of dublins ~15k season ticket /pass holders would make the trip away and even if they did and not all could get tickets they can change the terms. They could always offer anyone who didn't get a ticket a free one to the next round instead.

Anyway this idea that games have to be in croker is contrived baloney and has contributed to the provinces downfall.

Should all Kilkenny v Dublin hurling matches be played in nowlan Park because they'd get a bigger crowd if it was played there?

Should Donegal v Tyrone 2 years ago be moved to clones because that sold out? Yeah, no.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 05/06/2015 15:14:03    1732882

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you talk about things being unfair yet you seem to have no issue with fans of other teams constantly having to travel to get to games in dublin which isnt easy compared to a home game and is a lot more expensive....clubs are cliches?...clubs are what the gaa is all about...its easy to support a succesful county team like the dubs but where do the players come from and how do they get there?...if they were no clubs then the gaa would be nowhere near as strong as it is and thus weaken the counties...look at how strong the club scene is in dublin these days...you call my attitude ridiculous when you slag off clubs like that?...the fans you speak of are no different to those supporting liverpool and man utd.....the same would apply if you supported meath and didnt go to any club games or werent part of any club....dublin and man utd is a more accurate comparison considering the success and big budgets involved...lose the attitude....im advocating changing the scheme entirely...do you not think its unfair that supporters always have to travel to dublin and towns never get to host big games which would be huge for local economies or are you only concerned about dublin?...a lot of dubs outside the county are generally involved in a club who will sort them with a ticket...this is the situation for countless other counties....your experience in club is certainly a lot different to my own.....the gaa wouldnt be what it is without the clubs.....people who are only interested in supporting the county team put nothing back into the gaa...im not on about business men...im on about people who spend their lives involved in clubs for no return and are regularly at both club and county matches no matter how well the team is going because they properly care about it...people arent going to be turned off a sport because they cant get a ticket...people cant get tickets in every sport..its part and parcel of it....you cant expect people from other counties to lose home advantage and have to travel just because some people miss out...its simply unfair on those counties....stop having such a one county based view and look at what other counties have to deal with....i dont think people leave the gaa because they cant get an all ireland ticket...they arent going to stop following the gaa because they might miss dublin dish out a hammering to some over matched side in leinster either...talk about going overboard

I travel to all dublins away league games and I travel for the hurlers championship games too
so you cannot make out dublin dont play away games.
I had to travel from limerick on the day for all 3 of dublins home league games in croker this year too.
how is it easy to support dublin? it costs a lot more to support a successfull county team than it does to support a club team.
I play club football and hurling and I attend most club championship games I can
but to say clubs are not clicks is farcical
its how their run when it comes to tickets and that side of thing that im talking about as a click
99% of people will tell you this
and it aint just gaa its all sports.
the people who spend their lives in the club dont get looked after for tickets believe me I have first hand experiance of this.
you really think the season ticket schemes would sell out if your not guarnateed a ticket?
sure whats the point in them at that rate
they are there to reward people if you take that reward away people will just buy a ticket online or in supervalu.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2015 15:24:31    1732888

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yes I noticed the Dubs leaving early last Sunday, never happy are they? Leaving because they were winning by too much.A few years back on the August bank holiday Monday they were leaving because they were losing by too much! The 'earwigs' game

at least we turned up
like you already said you were one of maybe 500 galway supporters there

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2015 15:27:57    1732892

jack goff it was only ten years ago the ulster finals where switched to croke park because they were sold out.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2015 15:29:13    1732894

And was Croke Park the home venue to one of the teams involved? No so it wasn't an issue.

We're talking about a few thousand sorry dubs here not 30k.

And glad to see you travelling from the country for matches. at least you understand the costs and effort involved so maybe you'll excuse other teams not matching dublins support at matches in future especially when they're no hopers to win.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 05/06/2015 16:14:24    1732929

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And was Croke Park the home venue to one of the teams involved? No so it wasn't an issue.

We're talking about a few thousand sorry dubs here not 30k.

And glad to see you travelling from the country for matches. at least you understand the costs and effort involved so maybe you'll excuse other teams not matching dublins support at matches in future especially when they're no hopers to win.

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It's easier/quicker to get from Navan to Croke Park than from some areas of Dublin.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 05/06/2015 16:37:04    1732947

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And was Croke Park the home venue to one of the teams involved? No so it wasn't an issue.

We're talking about a few thousand sorry dubs here not 30k.

And glad to see you travelling from the country for matches. at least you understand the costs and effort involved so maybe you'll excuse other teams not matching dublins support at matches in future especially when they're no hopers to win.


galway were hardly no hopers now were they?
plus if i can travel without a drivers license it cant be too hard for others to travel to croker
with all infrastructure in ireland leading to dublin city
mayo,cork kerry and monaghan arent even in leinster and could make three of them.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/06/2015 17:14:38    1732971

but sure it didnt compare dublin to a club team...did i say dublin never played away matches?..im on about championship here...all of their games in championship are at home...there is huge costs involved for a lot of people and its pretty difficult travelling to games all the time compared to being at home..its a lot easier supporting dublin then leitrim or longford for instance is what i meant...your not guranteed a ticket in any other sport..if you are at home then by all means people would still get 1...why do they have to sell out?...we are talking about a small amount of dubs travelling to the odd match in leinster here not thousands upon thousands like you are mentioning...there wouldnt be much issue in most cases...a lot of dubs wouldnt be used to travelling to games at all and i dont blame them.....in my experience those who do spend their lives in clubs do get looked after.....people deserve to have their own home games...you seem awfully concerned with a small number of people missing out on dublin hammering a team or 2 yet you seem to have no concern for the countless numbers of supporters who have to spend fortunes travelling to matches in dublin from all over the place...why is that?..what about them?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 05/06/2015 20:01:31    1733008

all matches should not be in croke park end of story..you can make all the excuses you want like ticket schemes amongst other things but its simply avoided the argument...you whine about people missing a match yet you have no concern for those missing the match because it often costs a great deal to travel to them...teams and towns are entitled to home games and the benefits they bring

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 05/06/2015 20:03:27    1733010

if a guy is doing serious work in a club joxer then of course he deserves to be rewarded..most of these people are doing it voluntarily and are usually just mad into football so they usually would be at any game going club or county so i dont really see how they could be the fair weather type...the gaa wouldnt be what it is if there wasnt people like that...just from my own experiences anyway...you are always going to have the odd situation with bandwagoners who turn up with various connections and so on..that happens everywhere

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 05/06/2015 20:06:23    1733011

Yes hard working Club volunteers and officials are entitled to tickets but if it came down to it and there weren't enough tickets I'd say the lads who go to every game they can deserve a ticket first. These people usually have a season ticket or that parnell pass so it's not usually a problem.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 09/06/2015 14:06:51    1734650

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Yes hard working Club volunteers and officials are entitled to tickets but if it came down to it and there weren't enough tickets I'd say the lads who go to every game they can deserve a ticket first. These people usually have a season ticket or that parnell pass so it's not usually a problem.
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Agree Jack and that's the point I was making.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/06/2015 16:03:16    1734735

I'd a dream last night that meath beat Dublin and you we're all on here giving me abuse.

Think my reply was, well it's just as bad because meath are the only team to beat Dublin in 10 years! Which to be fair is through.

Would love to be proved wrong.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/06/2015 15:34:15    1736108

I'd a dream last night that meath beat Dublin and you we're all on here giving me abuse.

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This immediately sprung to mind

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waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/06/2015 16:33:01    1736140

Dream On Jack :)

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 12/06/2015 21:58:33    1736275

Meath struggling over wicklow today who put in an excellent performance just further proves how good this province would be if the Dublin region were rotated around the provinces or got a bye to the all Ireland quarters.

And those saying meath would walk it are fools. If we played kildare or laois today we would have lost. westmeath would have beaten us too. Pretty much anyone bar carlow would have a chance.

Looking forward to the westmeath semi final. Just a pity it has to be played in croker in what will feel like a shocking atmosphere.

Should be a home and away agreement. Navan holds 15k and mulingar 10k. I doubt the two counties combined will bring much over that to croker if even.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/06/2015 19:20:54    1736815

Jack
That still doesn't say much for the standard of the football in Leinster just because there is very little between everyone else bar Dublin doesn't hide the fact that the standard of football in Leinster is terrible. Have not looked much at the qualifiers draw but unless for a handy run I can't see any other Leinster side making quarter finals.

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 14/06/2015 19:41:28    1736853

The standard is not terrible. Swap any of meath, kildare, laois, westmeath, wicklow, Longford or wexford with mayo and they'd all have a decent chance in connaught .

And who cares if we're all 10 plus points behind dunlin. Some leinster counties have 10 times less people, 10 times less playing numbers, 10 times less funding, 10 times less amenities and so on.

It's stupid to think anyone bar 1 or 2 counties once in a blue moon can even compete with Dublin.

It's ridiculous that such a region is confined to leinster annually. This province would be as entertaining as ulster except with more open football if Dublin rotated around all provinces as they should.

As i keep saying the province would be competitive and exciting but instead we keep the region and they'll win at least 8/10 next leinsters and possibly 10/10 making it 19/20.

It's honestly embarssing that people even argue Dublin should be kept here permanently.

Part of me want kildare to do well but another part wants them to get a 15 point hammering and Meath again in the final if we make it.

Because the solution in leinster is not A 2 tier championship unless you mean playing Dublin against themselves and leave everyone else to tier 2.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/06/2015 19:55:23    1736877