fabio8
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some dubs are obsessed with this ticket scheme....in reality the genunine dubs would all be sorted in terms of getting a ticket no bother in most instances as are any gaa member involved in the grassroots of the organisation aka the clubs..you could also introduce temporary seating....the scheme would be changed if matches were moved around more....dublin are probably going to bring 10,000 support to most away matches...maybe more for the novelty factor initially...if the dubs are moved out of croke park then the ticket scheme will be changed..there is no point going on about the system in place when we are talking about a different system....i dont think some people understand just how different it is in terms of going to an away match compared to how easy it is being at home in terms of people deciding to go and everything

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You clearly know nothing about Dublin's support Fabio. Firstly, the season ticket holders ARE the genuine supporters. These are the poor sods like myself and others on here who are hiking around the country during the winter months in the O'Byrne Cup and league. My experience of the 'grass roots', as you like to call them, is that a lot of these guys are chancers who don't really support the inter county senior team rather they like to surface for the summer games and the business end of the championship. They are the epitomy of the 'fair weather' supporter. They are guaranteed a ticket not through their loyal following of the team, but through their club connections. Are these really the kind of people who should be rewarded if Dublin are forced to play a championship game in Tullamore or somewhere? I think not but this is exactly what will happen if your sugeestion was followed through on. The real fans would desert the game in droves - guaranteed and no county would be any different. I personally would do so as nothing angers me more than seeing some club official plank that can't name have the senior squad turning up a week before an AI semi with a fistful of tickets in his hand because he is being rewarded for his efforts at 'grass roots' level.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/06/2015 21:42:02    1732182

Joker:

They are the epitomy of the 'fair weather' supporter. They are guaranteed a ticket not through their loyal following of the team, but through their club connections.

Jaysus wept - I've heard it all now, club connections? So you basically believe that Dublin is just a blue version of Man U? That being a proud supporter is someone you attends games?

Where do the players come from for you to shower all your money and love on? Your money doesn't buy these players, doesn't pay their wages etc

These club officials as you so hate - don't actually get free tickets, they get the right to BUY the tickets, a just reward for their hard work ensuring you have a team to enjoy.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 04/06/2015 08:28:05    1732201

fabio8
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some dubs are obsessed with this ticket scheme....in reality the genunine dubs would all be sorted in terms of getting a ticket no bother in most instances as are any gaa member involved in the grassroots of the organisation aka the clubs..you could also introduce temporary seating....the scheme would be changed if matches were moved around more....dublin are probably going to bring 10,000 support to most away matches...maybe more for the novelty factor initially...if the dubs are moved out of croke park then the ticket scheme will be changed..there is no point going on about the system in place when we are talking about a different system....i dont think some people understand just how different it is in terms of going to an away match compared to how easy it is being at home in terms of people deciding to go and everything

not obsessed just giving you the clear fact
that if you advertise that on a season ticket you will be guaranteed a ticket to championship games
well then that means them people who buy it have to get a ticket.
I dont get your point about genuine dubs being sorted, who are genuine dubs?
club members? a lot of the people who travel down the country to league matches arent even in a club
an awful lot of dublin supporters avail of supervalu or centra ticket selling to buy tickets like most other counties
does this not make them genuine dubs?
if dublin played longford in pearse park which holds 9 thousand
no club tickets or tickets could go on public sale for the game as they would be already taken.
your talking about that the season ticket schemes would be changed but the reason most people avail of them
is so they are able to get a ticket for the all ireland final if there county makes it
so take away guaranteeing tickets to games and the season ticket schemes will loose 90% of its customers.
you would swear dublin dont play league games away, we travelled to cork,kerry,mayo and monaghan this year
not all dublin supporters live in dublin too, many come from other counties to croker for games all the time.
it would be easier for them if they were played in portlaoise or navan

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2015 10:36:38    1732252

arock
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Joker:

They are the epitomy of the 'fair weather' supporter. They are guaranteed a ticket not through their loyal following of the team, but through their club connections.

Jaysus wept - I've heard it all now, club connections? So you basically believe that Dublin is just a blue version of Man U? That being a proud supporter is someone you attends games?

Where do the players come from for you to shower all your money and love on? Your money doesn't buy these players, doesn't pay their wages etc

These club officials as you so hate - don't actually get free tickets, they get the right to BUY the tickets, a just reward for their hard work ensuring you have a team to enjoy.

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Arock, in my experience, club officials, in general, do not attend all of the inter county games. They are more interested in club championship and that's fair enough. I know many who are guaranteed tickets and only take up the offer (yes bought) as and when the Dubs get to the business end of the championship. Do you seriously think it would be fair to deprive others who attend ALL games, up to that point, of tickets just because Joe Bloggs wants to head into Croker to get a tan and soak up the atmosphere. I have no time for these guys and I know a lot of them. Sorry if that doesn't hang well with you but that's just the way I feel about it. The season and Parnell Park ticket schemes were the best thing that ever happened for supporters in Dublin. Loyalty is rewarded. That's the way it should be.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/06/2015 14:13:58    1732389

joxer you have misunderstood my point....sure if dubs are not affiliated to a club then what is the difference between them and a man utd supporter?..your experiences are clearly different to mine...surely you are involved with a club yourself?...genunine dubs are the ones that go to the majority of the games and also go to the club matches....the fair weather supporter you described joxer isnt exactly going to be interested in going to a 1st round leinster match now is he...theres no need to turn nasty either....

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/06/2015 15:39:19    1732440

if you miss out on a match hill then tough...the ticket scheme will be changed if the dubs had to play outside croker for once in leinster...if your not part of a club then i dont have a whole lot of sympathy for you....the club is what the gaa is all about in most counties..its pretty handy to follow the dubs as its no different to following a big franchise like man utd or leinster....pearse park isnt even open at the minute so again there is no point going on about the attendance...i already suggested temporary seating to deal with the added numbers.....in most instances the gaa would cater for the demand...you and joxer are talking like the dubs are going to bring over 20,000 to an away match which is simply not the reality

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/06/2015 15:42:28    1732443

i presume yourself and joxer attended the match in 2006?...interested to hear your experiences of the day itself....what would be the number the dubs are bringing to a good league match nowadays?...i agree hill on a lot of dubs being in other counties like kildare and mullingar for instance....my point of view lads basically is that teams should be getting both home and away matches no matter the situation in the interest of fairness...obviously the result last sunday wouldnt be any different but that doesnt change the fact that the situation as it is is plain wrong...but id also be in favour of changing the championship structure as it currently is so each county is guranteed a number of away and home games

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/06/2015 15:52:11    1732456

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joxer you have misunderstood my point....sure if dubs are not affiliated to a club then what is the difference between them and a man utd supporter?..your experiences are clearly different to mine...surely you are involved with a club yourself?...genunine dubs are the ones that go to the majority of the games and also go to the club matches....the fair weather supporter you described joxer isnt exactly going to be interested in going to a 1st round leinster match now is he...theres no need to turn nasty either....

I agree with joxer
a lot of clubs are cliques
I have been in three in dublin playing
and two outside dublin and in only one of them clubs have I seen a really fair way of running things from the top.
Tickets in the club I grew up with were a nightmare to try and get.
it was the 90tys and you would have no problem getting a ticket up to the leinster final each year
but then you would have to nearly beg in the club to get one
while some joe soap buisness man associated with the club could walk in and collect 3 or 4 tickets
this would be a guy who never kicked a ball or managed a team in the club.
parnell pass scheme is brilliant along with the gaa season ticket scheme they definatly reward people
but you also have plenty of people who dont live in dublin but are big dublin supporters
there not associated with clubs in dublin so should they loose out?
over half of the tickets sold up to the all ireland semi finals are done so through supervalu, centra and gaatickets.ie
the last 5 years, the gaa already punishes people who support these ticket outlets all year by not allowing them
a chance of buying an all ireland final ticket which is very unfair.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2015 16:00:06    1732462

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if you miss out on a match hill then tough...the ticket scheme will be changed if the dubs had to play outside croker for once in leinster...if your not part of a club then i dont have a whole lot of sympathy for you....the club is what the gaa is all about in most counties..its pretty handy to follow the dubs as its no different to following a big franchise like man utd or leinster....pearse park isnt even open at the minute so again there is no point going on about the attendance...i already suggested temporary seating to deal with the added numbers.....in most instances the gaa would cater for the demand...you and joxer are talking like the dubs are going to bring over 20,000 to an away match which is simply not the reality


thats a ridiculous attitude to have
tell people you can go to league games all year we want your money then but hey tough the
gaas biggest competition comes around and we have enough room to cater for everyone that wants to go
but we are only going to allow a fraction of those go. your going to put people off the sport then
reduce the mareting chances of the sport at a time when it should be centre stage.
so your advocating changing the ticket schem for dublin only? or for all counties?
if you change it from guarnteeing tickets for people who purchase a pass
do you not think the schemes will drop massively nobody will join them then.
clubs are cliques in all counties I have experience them in dublin and outside dublin
when it comes to tickets they are rarely given out fiarly so to suggest your looked after for being a club member
is very wide of the mark.
what difference is it supporting dublin to meath why do you not call them a franchise?
whats wrong with people supporting dublin who go around the country in o brne cup league and championship supporting them
but arent associated with a club?
temporary seating come off it most grounds have no room for that at all
sure they get as many in as they can standing in most places
like tullamore for example that counts the flat land behind the goal where you come in as part of its
capacity. I couldnt say exactly how many dublin will bring to an away championship game
but we brought about 3 thousand to cork, 3 thousand to kerry, 5 thousand to mayo and 7 thousand to monaghan
all them grounds were outside leinster and were league games which are viewed with less importance
when we used to play in navan in the 90tys the ground was packed to the brim and it held 30 thousand.
we played in dr cullen in 2002 and the ground was overcrowded with people climbing the walls getting in and all.
we played in pearse park in 2006 and it was full house and a lot of people didnt get tickets
the ground held 17 thousand then I think so like I say you will need a ground to hold 25 thousand for it to work.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2015 16:14:22    1732472

Take half the money that has been pumped into Dublin, and spend it on the other counties in Leinster. The GAA sowed it's own seeds with the unbalance that now exists in Leinster. It needs to improve the other teams and bring them up to Dublin's high standards, not take Dublin down to the other teams levels.. Invest, Invest, Invest..

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 04/06/2015 16:14:31    1732474

you talk about things being unfair yet you seem to have no issue with fans of other teams constantly having to travel to get to games in dublin which isnt easy compared to a home game and is a lot more expensive....clubs are cliches?...clubs are what the gaa is all about...its easy to support a succesful county team like the dubs but where do the players come from and how do they get there?...if they were no clubs then the gaa would be nowhere near as strong as it is and thus weaken the counties...look at how strong the club scene is in dublin these days...you call my attitude ridiculous when you slag off clubs like that?...the fans you speak of are no different to those supporting liverpool and man utd.....the same would apply if you supported meath and didnt go to any club games or werent part of any club....dublin and man utd is a more accurate comparison considering the success and big budgets involved...lose the attitude....im advocating changing the scheme entirely...do you not think its unfair that supporters always have to travel to dublin and towns never get to host big games which would be huge for local economies or are you only concerned about dublin?...a lot of dubs outside the county are generally involved in a club who will sort them with a ticket...this is the situation for countless other counties....your experience in club is certainly a lot different to my own.....the gaa wouldnt be what it is without the clubs.....people who are only interested in supporting the county team put nothing back into the gaa...im not on about business men...im on about people who spend their lives involved in clubs for no return and are regularly at both club and county matches no matter how well the team is going because they properly care about it...people arent going to be turned off a sport because they cant get a ticket...people cant get tickets in every sport..its part and parcel of it....you cant expect people from other counties to lose home advantage and have to travel just because some people miss out...its simply unfair on those counties....stop having such a one county based view and look at what other counties have to deal with....i dont think people leave the gaa because they cant get an all ireland ticket...they arent going to stop following the gaa because they might miss dublin dish out a hammering to some over matched side in leinster either...talk about going overboard

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/06/2015 16:38:05    1732479

04/06/2015 15:39:19
fabio8
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joxer you have misunderstood my point....sure if dubs are not affiliated to a club then what is the difference between them and a man utd supporter?..your experiences are clearly different to mine...surely you are involved with a club yourself?...genunine dubs are the ones that go to the majority of the games and also go to the club matches....the fair weather supporter you described joxer isnt exactly going to be interested in going to a 1st round leinster match now is he...theres no need to turn nasty either....

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Not turning nasty Fabio, you just seem to have a different view on what a supporter is then I do. How does following your county around north and south, in league, O'Byrne Cup etc. before the band wagoners awake from their winter hibernation equate to being a Man U fan?

"the fair weather supporter you described Joxer isnt exactly going to be interested in going to a 1st round leinster match now is he" - why? He will be looking for a ticket for an AI semi you can bet. So why should he not attend OBC, League, first round championship games.

Yes I am a member of a club. I'm only a member because my son plays underage. The club is not well established. We're not all members of Crokes, Vinnies and Mun. I go to the young fellas games and help out with organising lifts etc. but that's as much as I do as I'm involved in other sports also, coaching in one of them. I go to all of the Dublin senior games and U21 and minor when I can.

We're obviously coming at this from different angles Fabio. You obviously think that involvement in a club automatically entitles you to AI final tickets etc. irrespective of whether that means that those who have been following the county all year get put out or not. I simply disagree with you.

Incidentally I don't support Man U or any other English soccer team, I'm a member of Bohemian Football Club and I don't go around harassing the club for tickets to key Ireland matches just because I am a member of a soccer club. I would expect the Ireland season ticket holders to take precedence anyway.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/06/2015 16:59:54    1732491

Ridiculous thread...None of this nonsense when Dublin won 1 Leinster title between 1996 and 2004. Didn't even contest an All-Ireland between 1996 and 2010. Dublin actually won 5 Leinsters in a row 05 to 09 with a avg team. Dublin were the butt of every joke because as soon as they got out of leinster they would be bet. It is hardly Dublin's fault that the likes of Kildare and Meath didn't push on and take advantage during the lean years. The current success is down to years of planning and hard work ex player getting involved and managing the development squads.

Jack raises an important point. The Dublin 'dominance' is still evolving. Agree with some that they look set to continue it, but will other counties step in? They haven't won everything in sight. They've worked hard to get it 'right' and as soon as they do we punish them for it? This discussion is way premature.

They look too strong for the rest of Leinster this year, but who knows. They'll definitely have their fill of whoever they get in the quarters/semis and final if they get that far. Donegal showed that they could be beat. Others saw this. All the talk of Donegal sensationally beating Dublin was a bit of a smokescreen. Dublin would have been wary of Donegal going in for good reason. the result was against the odds, but shocking? sensational? Hardly.

Need to give all this more time before making huge changes.

that said I'm a proponent of the open draw. Perhaps marking a meaningful secondary competition is something to consider.

UpOffaly (Offaly) - Posts: 68 - 04/06/2015 17:52:12    1732514

I agree Upoffaly. I don't think this is about Dublin. Look at Cork and Kerry in Munster, a much bigger problem. This is about the wider issue of a need to redesign the competition. Plenty of good suggestions have been put forward. Leinster is not THE problem, it's a symptom of a much wider problem.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/06/2015 18:10:47    1732520

you are misinterpreting what i said joxer..i am on about the club members who go to all the matches as well as their own club matches and volunteer like yourself to do bits and pieces at the club...i like yourself have no time for the fair weather supporters...the fans i reference who have nothing whatsoever to do with a club yet only follow the big side is exactly like a rugby supporter who follows leinster yet has no interest in club rugby...its following the big team or franchise...thats not what the gaa is about in my opinion....i didnt say those in a club were entitled to tickets...i said those who do the bit for club and regularly attend the games at both levels generally are the ones who get tickets quite comfortably and deserve them....the supporter you are referencing i have no time for and of course doesnt deserve a ticket over somebody going to games....generally in my experience if you regularly attend matches both club and county you will have no issue getting a ticket......on a side note we are only talking at the minute about 1 or 2 games in leinster where dublin are going to be huge favourites to win so the fair weather fan isnt going to be all that interested in going...you misinterpreted my post as a shot against u and hill...i am well aware you are genunine supporters who attend matches around the country...i can imagine due to the larger numbers in dublin that the ticket situation in clubs is a bit more chaotic but im just going off my own experience in this instance....i can imagine most dub fans either have children playing for a club or play for 1 themselves

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/06/2015 18:17:16    1732524

I don't think anyone here is blaming Dublin. Its not their fault. The GAA caused this lobsidedness when they ploughed so much money into Dublin GAA over the past 15 years to raise the profile in the capital. That coupled with the fact they get all home league games played in Croker for the past number of years has givin them an advantage over the rest of Leinster. Also they can attract the large sponsers that other counties can only dream of. My 2 cents worth, scrap the championship have a League with 4 groups that have seeded teams, and have an open draw every season. Season to commence in January with home and away games with a mid season break of 6-8 weeks to allow club championship games to be run off?? Structure it that its over in early September for closed season.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 04/06/2015 18:22:20    1732527

Dublin V Rest of IrelandXV
One match, once a year, everyone's happy :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 04/06/2015 18:33:07    1732531

Joker:
We're obviously coming at this from different angles Fabio. You obviously think that involvement in a club automatically entitles you to AI final tickets etc. irrespective of whether that means that those who have been following the county all year get put out or not. I simply disagree with you.

But it does entitle you to a ticket, you work hard for the game, for nothing the least you can expect is a damn ticket (to buy at face value) - or at least the right to refuse it. When you talk of club officials who are you talking about? There wouldn't be an Inter-county set up if there was no clubs there would be no GAA. The majority of the Dublin fans that embarrass themselves and others at the business end of the championship are not "Club officials"? So who are you talking about? The guys who bring a whole team of juveniles to the game? Or the treasurer who spends hours upon hours filling in fee's etc? Or coaches, groundsmen, fundraisers? I men what officials are you talking about? Calling these people "fair weather" supporters is just untrue. I am in one of the biggest clubs in the country and tickets are on a lottery basis which is as they should be. But fair weather supporter or a band-wagon hopper - really that is just plain wrong there are hundreds of volunteers in my club if they get a ticket so be it they are entitled to it more so than anyone else.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 04/06/2015 20:45:27    1732582

Dubs leaving Croke Park at HT last sunday in the football, a bit much considering they weren't in for the hurling. They'll hit Maynooth on the way to Tullamore and turn around again

elvistheking (Galway) - Posts: 99 - 04/06/2015 21:26:53    1732596

Its time to do away with the current system.I favour 8 groups of 4 , seeded of course, each county playing the other home and away which would mean 6 championship games minimum for every county and revenue from 3 home games.Top 2 from each group qualify for last 16 of the Sam bottom 2 from each group qualify for last 16 of a Shield (secondary championship).
Every county would get a minimum of 7 games played during the summer.All 8 groups would be run every weekend meaning no more silly 5 ,6,or 7 week gaps between games.
Worth a try for 3 years?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 05/06/2015 09:25:17    1732631