Anyway were back to our rightful place. Whipping boys of the dubs and it's time you guys moved on. You've outgrown this province of division 2,3,4 teams.

You don't have to be the whipping boys,just look at Donegal mayo monaghan etc,and what can be achieved,with proper structures in place,a decent manager and a good game plan,its time you moved on.stop blaming Dublin and get your houses in order.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 02/07/2015 08:46:46    1746289

Leave Dublin where they are. It is not their fault. I know the league is different but against 7 non lenister teams the dubs only scored 7-93 and 2-78 against (30 difference)

In lenister so far they have scored 4-39 in 2 games. Its not Dublins fault......its the rest of the provinces fault for not being at the races. You cant use pop or money as an excuse as teams like meath, kildare etc have similar money and pop as Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Donegal but the latter dont get completely smashed each time and then winge about it

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 02/07/2015 09:48:48    1746304

Jack Goff...

I dont think you got what I was saying.

Please explain how a county like Donegal competes with Dublin with less population and funding than Meath and Kildare?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/07/2015 10:44:55    1746352

If we did take Dublin out (which is absurd) Imagine what Lenister would be like. Imagine we had done this from day one. Meath did 5 in six years GONE Kildare 7 in a row GONE, Wexford 7 in a row GONE, Offaly 5 finals and 4 wins in 5 years GONE

So then we would have
Carlow, Laois, Longford, Louth , Westmeath, Wicklow

Laois might even dominate then for example and we would have to remove them and so on until we have an anual Lenister final between Carlow and Wicklow and if one of the comes good then we will have a 1 hourse race.......I know who ill put my money on ;)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 02/07/2015 11:41:58    1746391

Jacks Goff
You see joxer nobody wants to scrap the Provinces because they keep the local rivalries alive, which maximises crowds and minimises travel.

I'm all for a 2 tired champions league format but it would have to be separate. Basically keep the Provinces but as separate competitions not connected to the all Ireland.

I'm all for the changes, but this thread is created on the assumption that the gaa won't be removing the Provinces any time soon. And even If they separate them my point still stands, Dublin should be rotated.

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Restated around what Jack? If the provinces are gone then there is nothing to rotate around. If you are not playing Dublin then you are going to be playing Mayo, Donegal or Kerry. Would the outcome be much different? Does the league not tell us something about the quality in Leinster? Why is the quality so much better in Ulster where Donegal have dominated for half a decade and counting now? I do agree though, scrap the provincials. Pointless distractions at this stage.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2015 15:22:16    1746525

Two tier Championship,16 teams per tier, two divisions in each tier, run with a league format so each team plays 7 or 14 games, whatever time permits sensibly. We can't forget the club scene. In the meantime don't worry about getting the Dubs out of Leinster, they may not flourish if we do and the media would lose their self proclaimed glamouur team, ha of course to the Dub jab. But seriously, football set up needs a rehaul or it will continue to slip.

noelnyc (Kerry) - Posts: 82 - 02/07/2015 15:35:08    1746528

Put the Provincials in the calendar as where O'Byrne/McKenna Cups are as a pre season warm up tournament. Two tier 16 team Championship. Senior A and Senior B. Promotion and Relegation. 4 groups of 4 in each, with a seeded draw. Nobody really wants to see Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo in the one group. Top 2 in each group play All Ireland Series. Bottom 2 in each group play off in relegation championship. Two teams relegated.

Finalists of B Championship go up. Each side will play at least 4 championship games.

No need for rotation. Create your own rivalries.

League is not needed and club game and calendars could be all accommodated leaving a healthy compromise between club and county teams.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/07/2015 16:18:29    1746556

02/07/2015 16:18:29 JayP
Put the Provincials in the calendar as where O'Byrne/McKenna Cups are as a pre season warm up tournament. Two tier 16 team Championship. Senior A and Senior B. Promotion and Relegation. 4 groups of 4 in each, with a seeded draw. Nobody really wants to see Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo in the one group. Top 2 in each group play All Ireland Series. Bottom 2 in each group play off in relegation championship. Two teams relegated.
Finalists of B Championship go up. Each side will play at least 4 championship games.
No need for rotation. Create your own rivalries.
League is not needed and club game and calendars could be all accommodated leaving a healthy compromise between club and county teams. How does removing the majority of games counties play help them and how does reducing the GAAs presence in media and fans eyes through most of the year help the GAA?
Your proposal only helps soccer, rugby and other sports improve at the expense of gaelic football and hurling.
Why would you put the provincial cups as a mere warm up and totally dismiss their history etc by rushing to play them off at the start of the year.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/07/2015 16:52:44    1746572

You could still do the league..... and a two tier champo ormand....theres enough time. Just the problem is there has to be a sacrifice.

Clubs find it difficult with congestion though. I think the provincials are kinda meaningless. Make them preseason. More chance of different teams winning as the big guuns are very experimental.

If people wanna see meaningful games.....format change has to be addressed.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/07/2015 17:55:28    1746608

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Put the Provincials in the calendar as where O'Byrne/McKenna Cups are as a pre season warm up tournament. Two tier 16 team Championship. Senior A and Senior B. Promotion and Relegation. 4 groups of 4 in each, with a seeded draw. Nobody really wants to see Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo in the one group. Top 2 in each group play All Ireland Series. Bottom 2 in each group play off in relegation championship. Two teams relegated.

Finalists of B Championship go up. Each side will play at least 4 championship games.

No need for rotation. Create your own rivalries.

League is not needed and club game and calendars could be all accommodated leaving a healthy compromise between club and county teams.

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Yes this makes sense and I would buy into it. Getting the dinosaur that is the GAA hierarchy to make such a drastic move would not be so easy, not unless there is money in it anyway, a la rule 42. If they can somehow spin more money out of a system that would result in the abolition of the provincials then they will abandon tradition and go with that system. Cash is King in the GAA.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 02/07/2015 21:43:11    1746745

Dublin put in a poor performance , westmeath Park every bus they possibly could and Dublin still win by 13. At least westmeath had sense and recognised they couldn't win .

As the panel said, leinster a non event. Dublin have out grown the province . Time for them to move on. If they don't want to tour the Provinces I suggest they start the championship first round of the qualifiers or get a bye to the all Ireland quarter finals just like Galway used to in hurling.

#saveleinster

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/07/2015 16:02:42    1751815

Jack the problem with WH is that they didn't know how to play a blanket defence. If they did then it would have been a lot closer. They experimented with it against Mayo in a friendly ahead of today. It clearly needs a lot of refining. Now Derry, they know how to play a blanket defence. Can't wait to see the recording of SG. Apparently the 'analysts' were saying that Dublin don't know how to play against the blanket at half-time. Wow, the experts certainly got that one right

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/07/2015 16:42:37    1751834

Joxer I wouldn't call them analysts and I'd sympathise with Dublin because one week they're unbeatable and the next there average.

Personally I think you're unbeatable in leinster but in the all Ireland there's 4 other teams that have a chance.

And on the defensive note meath finally pulled it off against Tyrone and we would have won but for a dodgy peno. Hopefully next year we set up like westmeath today and we get within 5 or 6.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/07/2015 17:47:33    1751889

Anyway next year Dublin will win their 11th title in 12 years. How exciting.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/07/2015 18:09:42    1751921

......and Donegal will be in their 6th Ulster Final in a row, while Cork and Kerry will contest the Munster final for the 81st time in 82 years while Mayo will contest their 7th final in 8 years. Leinster is no different than the other province Jack. It's predictable.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/07/2015 18:40:58    1751955

Yes it would be exciting,winning leinsters is exciting,stop whinging jack,your like a broken record.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 12/07/2015 18:55:04    1751973

I am already excited about next years Leinster, Meath under a proper management team will give dubs a lot to think about, for the past 3 years we have been regressing under the current manager, by putting in the right people we have a very exciting young talented panel of players, i fully expect a competent manager to not only strengthen that panel but to get the best out of what is there.
Lets hold our hands up, we made a mess of the last 3 years. New management new beginning
Hon the Royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/07/2015 19:32:56    1752018

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Joxer I wouldn't call them analysts and I'd sympathise with Dublin because one week they're unbeatable and the next there average.

Personally I think you're unbeatable in leinster but in the all Ireland there's 4 other teams that have a chance.

And on the defensive note meath finally pulled it off against Tyrone and we would have won but for a dodgy peno. Hopefully next year we set up like westmeath today and we get within 5 or 6.


Therin lies your problem Jack. 12 months away from next years Leinster final and you hope that Mwath can develop a defensive system to get within 5 or 6 of Dublin. Why not stop whinging and develop a system to BEAT Dublin. Donegal did, Mayo have, Derry and Monaghan were both within a score of us in the league. The sooner Meath football stops feeling sorry for itself and starts working to really improve, the sooner nonsense threads like this can be confined to the scrapheap.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 12/07/2015 19:35:44    1752024

In the 1999 Leinster semi final Dublin score a point to level the match. It was in the last minute but the Dublin player who scores picks the ball off the ground with his hands. Referee chooses not to see the pick up. In the last minute of the 2005 final Dublin trailing by one point are awarded a free in for a slight hand on the back. Dutifully the ball is dispatched over the bar for the equalizer. Munnelly clearly pulled down a minute later not awarded a free in. I like Dublin fans and their teams but they weren't quiet as strong back then and were carried over the finishing line by the referee.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 12/07/2015 19:41:00    1752025

So what's going to happen next year? The beatings will be just as bad again. the province should be treated like ulster in the hurling.

Luckily from an all Ireland point of view kerry and mayo should be able to match the dubs but we've quickly become less competitive than the hurling.

It's a pity the big 3 won't come back down to earth because the chasing pack ain't catching up.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 02/08/2015 20:46:27    1762766