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If there were a 2nd Tier 'TMC 16' - would Ulster vounties dominate it ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2644 - 30/05/2015 16:45:27 1730281 Link 0 |
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2406 - 30/05/2015 17:13:51 1730287 Link 0 |
Would Ulster Dominate a TMC 2nd tier competition? No No my good man, most of the Ulster sides would be in the Top 16 All Ireland :-) GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/05/2015 18:04:32 1730305 Link 0 |
In my own humble opinion the 8 provincial 1st round losers should enter the Tommy Murphy Cup with a route back into the championship. For that to happen, all provinces would have to agree a seeding that would see the stronger counties avoid their respective first rounds. Ulster would have only 1 team dropping into that secondary championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7922 - 30/05/2015 19:11:09 1730321 Link 0 |
In my original 24/7 idea, I also had the same Weakest 8. However, for overall Championship balance, I wonder if it would be better to give 5 Ulster non-SFlists a better chance via a parallel competition ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2644 - 30/05/2015 20:09:39 1730342 Link 0 |
Only Fermanagh and Antrim would be in it. The rest are well capable of getting to an All Ireland quasar final. yenom (Cork) - Posts: 3 - 30/05/2015 20:14:31 1730343 Link 0 |
omahant - There was a review into all matters football related. The FRC report showed there was support for the retention of the provincial championships. Your only likely to get small changes here and there. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7922 - 30/05/2015 20:45:42 1730356 Link 0 |
The answer is no. The Ulster is so far ahead thing is a myth. For instance look at Monaghans path to an Ulster final this year. Beat a div 2 side and then beat the winner of a div 3 (2) vs div 4 side. I'd say at least 5 Leinster counties would fancy their chances with that draw as would the likes of Tipp and Clare. Over the years I've seen longford beat Down, Derry and Cavan in the qualifiers, have narrow defeats to Tyrone , Down (all Ireland final year) and Donegal and have numerous victories over the weaker Ulster teams in the league whilst at the same time rarely gettin through the first round in Leinster. I believe that outside the top 5 or 6 sides there are maybe 15 to 20 teams with very little between them. For example if the current (very good) Monaghan side met the current (not so good) Galway side in a Croker championship game most people would expect a close game with either side capable of winning it. catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 30/05/2015 21:13:46 1730368 Link 0 |
Considering an Ulster team only won the Tommy Murphy cup once when it was run, the answer is no. Unless you mean "Would Ulster teams dominate the Tommy Murphy cup if it were based on a format I made up, which was never used in real life", which is a fairly pointless question. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1650 - 30/05/2015 21:27:42 1730373 Link 0 |
catchturnscore Monaghans dream draw this year is not a sensible assessment of anything Ulster. Your qualifier examples are more appropriate as I would imagine how teams approach the qualifiers would be similar to how said hypothetical competition would be approached. Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 31/05/2015 08:12:03 1730392 Link 0 |
Jaysus Legend talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it. Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 31/05/2015 08:21:35 1730393 Link 0 |
In fact Legend can you explain that last paragraph again. Is the first and last sentence a contradiction or is it too early in the morning for me? Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 31/05/2015 08:26:31 1730394 Link 0 |
@Naysayer - Last paragraph correction here (+ some added detail): legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7922 - 31/05/2015 12:50:55 1730450 Link 0 |
catchturnscore GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 31/05/2015 15:41:19 1730492 Link 0 |
To Legendz- omahant (USA) - Posts: 2644 - 31/05/2015 16:48:59 1730528 Link 0 |
GaryMc82 (Derry) yes three times they have caused the odd shock against Derry! As you saw again today no chance of causing an upset in leinster. The point is that in a Tommy Murphy cup situation that odd upset could be built on against the lesser teams from any of the province's including Ulster. It must happen as today's debacle helps no body least of all the people trying to get our better players to join the county set up. And yes I accept that Cavan ,Derry etc would have put it up more to the Dubs today but putting it up to the is a long way from actually beating them. catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 31/05/2015 21:15:28 1730673 Link 0 |
eight teams from ulster in divs 1 and 2 next year...10 teams from leinster in divs 3 and 4...maybe you should have a re-think about what province would win a second tier competition??? mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/06/2015 09:50:31 1730732 Link 0 |
Would Ulster dominate Tommy Murphy Cup? DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 01/06/2015 10:12:01 1730739 Link 0 |
Question really should be 'Would Antrim dominate Tommy Murphy Cup?' given they are the only Ulster side in the bottom 16. Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 01/06/2015 10:20:50 1730744 Link 0 |
who was in the Tommy Murphy Cup ?, was it just division 4 teams. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 01/06/2015 10:28:01 1730748 Link 0 |