Poor fare poor ref!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 07/06/2015 17:09:57    1733583

Thank god it didn't finish level anyway. Looked like club junior skill wise. I know it was close and could have gone either way but still no great skills on show bar one or two on each team

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1121 - 07/06/2015 17:18:03    1733592

Jack_Goff
County: Meath
Posts: 1466

1733540
Umpires over reacting to a dive which results in a red card.

If they don't clearly see a punch then it's a yellow at max. Otherwise a harmless slap will end in diving all over the place. Seen in hurling and football already this year.

This is a danger that we are going to face this year. I think that there should be penalties imposed on play acting equally as much as those guilty of throwing punches. I also think that Derry looked very poor in the second half, they will have to wake up in a serious way if they are going to compete with either Armagh or Donegal.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 07/06/2015 17:18:40    1733593

seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 93

Plámasing Armagh is different to respecting them imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 07/06/2015 17:21:17    1733597

It's a result, and a welcome Ulster Championship win at that.

I did think Eddie Kinsella kept the game from flowing, especially in the first half when he blew up for every wee thing. I thought Derry should have capitalised further on their first half dominance, and I suspected Down would come back into it in the 2nd half.

I thought Derry tired in the 2nd half, and Down gained control around the middle a bit more. First half midfield dominance of Fergal Doherty and Niall Holly slipped a little in the 2nd half, which was because of Down's tactical moves. Eoin Bradley was superb, and I was Impressed with Brendan Rodgers too. Still plenty to work on for Derry, but this will have given them massive confidence.

I disagree that these teams are Ulster or AI fillers, that's nonsense. Two years ago at this stage, I would say Armagh and Monaghan were considered nothing more than filler teams. Winning games brings confidence, and playing and beating bigger teams gives self belief to players.
A winning Championship run can help a team bond, and can change peoples opinions of that team. Armagh achieved this last year, and are now elevated by the press to genuine Ulster Contenders.

Next up is either Armagh or Donegal. Either of those side will be clear favourites against Derry, but I think Derry can progress to the Ulster final, especially if we got Armagh.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/06/2015 17:28:06    1733599

Plámasing Armagh is different to respecting them imo.

@MesAmis There is a reasonable chance that Armagh may upset Donegal, If your so sure and have a few quid to spare, go to paddy power. If you put down 100 quid they will give you 50 back. check the odds, easy money it seems? Its a competitive championship we have. Donegal are favourites and they will most likely win but I would make such blunt assumptions in this competition. Only a point between them last year in the AA QF. I don't see major changes in either side to suggest that Donegal deserve to be automatically associated with the SF spot. To 'plámus' a team would be more thinking Longford were capable of upsetting Dublin. Not the same up here.

(imo)

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 07/06/2015 17:42:39    1733609

tirawleybaron
County: Mayo
Posts: 431

1733592 Thank god it didn't finish level anyway. Looked like club junior skill wise. I know it was close and could have gone either way but still no great skills on show bar one or two on each team

It's a result, and welcome first Ulster Championship win since 2011.

Think back to when Donegal beat Antrim in 2011, and the negativity in the aftermath of that game. Well this was far better game, and this might just be the start of something.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/06/2015 17:56:28    1733629

Derry are awful am am sorry Gary but they will be canon fodder for either Armagh or Donegal. The sending off was wrong and cost down

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 07/06/2015 18:00:50    1733639

seanfinn
County: Monaghan
Posts: 94

@MesAmis There is a reasonable chance that Armagh may upset Donegal, If your so sure and have a few quid to spare, go to paddy power. If you put down 100 quid they will give you 50 back. check the odds, easy money it seems? Its a competitive championship we have. Donegal are favourites and they will most likely win but I would make such blunt assumptions in this competition. Only a point between them last year in the AA QF. I don't see major changes in either side to suggest that Donegal deserve to be automatically associated with the SF spot. To 'plámus' a team would be more thinking Longford were capable of upsetting Dublin. Not the same up here.


Exactly as you say Donegal will most likely win.

Of course it is different "up there" for this particular match.

Last week was a team from Div 1 played a team after playing in Div 4. "Up there" it will be a game between a Div 1 team and a team after playing in Div 3. Donegal would destroy any Div 4 team as much as Dublin will if they play as they can. Just like Donegal will beat a Div 3 team easily enough if they play as well as they can.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 07/06/2015 18:01:28    1733641

I will happily eat my "Donegal Bobble hat" if that dreadful Derry team i watched today beats Donegal or Armagh.
If Armagh beat Donegal next week then they will have earned their rightful place in the Ulster final and i would even fancy them to beat Monaghan. How anyone can fancy Derrys chances to beat either Armagh or Donegal is beyond me. I respect anyones confidence in there own team and a win is a Win' But talking about Ulster finals after that today' is sheer fantasy.

InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 07/06/2015 18:24:49    1733659

Eddie Kinsella will be lambasted for not allowing the game to flow. But if you allow a game to flow, you will almost certainly get a bad tempered game. So you cant win either way.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 07/06/2015 18:30:44    1733670

Mes.... according to you its a done deal. I assume you have logged on to the bookie of your choice and heaped as much spare cash as you have on this 'dead cert'.

I might put a tenner on a draw.

You are clutching at if and buts to make your point like league position et cetera but ultimately Armagh are better than their league position suggests. Derry played league one this year, had a league one final last year but they still had not won a championship game in Ulster for four years. I watched these guys go at it last year in the AA QF before you jackeens hammered us. Donegal were lucky to get past them.

Of course Donegal, if they play to their best will win, that's obvious. If they play their best against any side they are going to win. If Donegal continually played at their best they would have won every single game in the last three years. The reality is, they are much more susceptible to the upsetting result playing in Armagh in an Ulster Championship than Dublin are in the leinster against anyone.

Our championship is the only fully functional open one of the lot for this reason. Teams can be caught cold and punished. I haven't seen that in Leinster in for a few years.

Look at the game today. Poor enough from both sides and it could have gone either way. I still would not use that as a yardstick for either side. Derry will have taken the positives from that and will present a tough assignment for Donegal.....or Armagh (imo).

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 07/06/2015 18:49:02    1733688

Thank god it was not a draw, terrible stuff.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 07/06/2015 18:59:07    1733695

One of the positives for Derry today was the return of eoin bradley a serious forward when on form and big miss last few years. They didn't look great today but ideal match to go into an ulster semi final off the back of. They will give donegal/Armagh their fill of it.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1802 - 07/06/2015 19:25:05    1733713

We will take the win but we have work to do before the semi final we will go in as underdogs and rightly so,but we will watch with interest donegal v armagh next weekend.We ran donegal close last year so it will give us something to build on.

93vintageyear (Derry) - Posts: 301 - 07/06/2015 19:40:41    1733729

I know the sending off was a bad decision by the umpires but Eddie Kinsella had a bad game too. He interfered a lot and got so many calls wrong on both sides.

I can't see Derry going much further either judging them on today's performance. Their defense conceded an awful lot of frees and their forward play is dependant on two players, Lynch and Bradley, who in fairness are top class. But Donegal would be too cute to give them any kind of freedom. Enda Lynn and Seo Leo McGoldrick are great ball carriers and they work tirelessly but you'd like to see more of the forwards chipping in with scores. Chrissy McKaigue looked a shadow of the player from a year or two ago too. He's a player you'd expect to be a leader in that backline and they probably need back at his best.

I was looking at the Down team beforehand and on paper, you'd say they have a potent forward line but are they all too similar? McKernan is the only one suited to the rough and tumble of the Ulster championship. The rest are light and skilful but I'd say in this age, it's a negative to have too many of that type of player. I could see Down racking up big scores against weaker opposition in the qualifiers but the more physical the challenge, the tougher it'll be for them. ALthough credit is due for the way they scraped back into the game after what was a shocking call for the sending-off.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 07/06/2015 19:51:02    1733735

93vintageyear
County: Derry
Posts: 269

We ran donegal close last year so it will give us something to build on.

There are rose tinted glasses & then there are rose tinted glasses......

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 07/06/2015 20:00:30    1733745

Derry must be a very frustrating team for their fans to watch. They have possibly the strongest club football championship in Ireland and yet have struggled on the inter-county scene in the last 10 years. They should have won comfortably today, 4 points and a man up yet they nearly threw it away. They won't get past Donegal or Armagh on that display.

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 463 - 07/06/2015 20:19:37    1733763

That was a terrible game of football, honestly shocking. But i guess we will just have to put up with it until something is done about the handpass rule.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/06/2015 20:29:52    1733769

shaggylegend
County: Monaghan
Posts: 1387

1733639 Derry are awful am am sorry Gary but they will be canon fodder for either Armagh or Donegal. The sending off was wrong and cost down

I disagree on a few things your saying,

1. I thought Derry were by far the better team until the sending off, which was a very soft red. Then in the 2nd half, they took the foot off and allow Down back into the game in a big way. Derry had a very poor 2nd half, and it was by no means a classic game. In saying that, Derry & Down have produced some of Ulster's best matches over the last 25 years, and one dull game is allowed. We have often seen a sending off spur the team with 14 men on that bit further.

2. I heard a lot of that cannon fodder nonsense before the 2013 Ulster final, Only It was being directed at Monaghan on that occasion. Don't judge a team on one performance, as like after Donegal beating Armagh last year, they might just pull off a major shock in the next game.

3. Armagh are no great shakes, they just went ultra defensive last year and are far more physical under McGeeney. But when you breakdown the make up of their actual team, they are not all that. Because they were so open and poor in 2013, last year proved to be a bit of revelation.
But had Tyrone not had Mattie Donnelly sent of in the 26th minute of the Qualifier, we wouldn't even be talking about Armagh in such glowing terms.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/06/2015 20:39:38    1733779