royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7432

1728569 That's some complex you have there brefni.
Firstly i said after all the hype of ulster games so far, this is a real dogfight.
There was no slight on ulster merely pointing out the bitterness that this fixture holds for the respective fans.
Now i get in Cavan that you may not understand this, but in Leinster there is serious derbies that go further than how they will actually get on in championship, ill give you a prime example one of the Westmeath team that won Leinster told me he would hand back his Leinster medal (the only time they have ever won it) if he could go back and make dessies free go over the bar against Meath. That is saying that beating Meath meant more to him than winning Leinster. There is very little chance of either Laois or Kildare beating dubs. But the thought of loosing to the other is more than most could take b
So my post was to put this into context. Hope that clears it up and helps restore security

I believe your theory is borne out by the fact that Leinster counties tend not to support their own provincial winners like the other provinces. In the 1998 AI Final many of the Laois supporters cheered for Galway supposedly!

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 26/05/2015 13:37:24    1728579

Naysayer
County: Antrim
Posts: 1313

1728512 The reality of Ulster is they have one genuine All Ireland Contender, Connaught have 1, Leinster have 1 and Munster have 2

sportsfan14 what have you been smoking? I agree that there are a limited number of genuine All Ireland contenders but I am not sure how you include Cork (or is it Tipperary or Limerick or even Clare you meant) as a contender from Munster when you are giving the other provinces one apiece. If Cork are included the you have widened the boundary a little to let a few more teams in.

For me it is Dublin again this year - they are the strongest squad by a distance and they did not win it last year so they will be back for it this year. I would like to see Mayo win as like many I have a soft spot for them but I fear they are going the wrong way, Kerry I think will be too big an ask to win it twice in a row with the squad they are operating with though they do have previous while Donegal will probably do like they did two years ago and come a cropper around the quarter-final stage as they run out of legs. Monaghan for me are at or past their peak which is not high enough.

Naysayer, do you disagree that only Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Donegal and possibly Cork are the only contenders? Ulster is a strong province but by no means that far ahead of Leinster. Kildare and Meath could have won Ulster/Connaught titles in the past 5/6 years whilst they never would have won a Munster or Leinster. Look at the hammerings dished out by Kildare to the likes of Monaghan, Cavan and Derry whilst Meath hammered Tyrone?

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 26/05/2015 13:42:10    1728583

Aye RD. It's me that has the complex.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 26/05/2015 13:46:39    1728590

Maybe the reason then why a lot of Leinster teams have not shone in recent years is because their main focus is on giving their neighbours a good beating rather than kicking on properly.

Royal - not sure what way the provincial runners up fall in the qualifier draw though I am sure someone on here can advise.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 26/05/2015 13:49:51    1728591

sportsfan14 I do not believe Cork to be a serious contender or if they are the like of Maonaghan and a few other teams have as good a shout.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 26/05/2015 14:02:14    1728603

connachtman
County: Galway
Posts: 3

1728576 Sorry my first post might be a bit confusing, what I'm trying to say is that there is no point in coming on here and saying "Leinster is a joke of a province" then saying the thread is aimed at Ulster...

Sorry only seeing the joke province post now but it came after the Ulster references so not a relevant point connachtman. I've never said anything about any province being a joke either. I'm speaking for myself.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 26/05/2015 14:07:44    1728607

Naysayer to a certain degree i agree, Meath just went at dubs in 10 and scored 5 goals, then in final the showed complete contempt and a large amount of arrogance against Louth and we all know what happened so not going to open up that can of worms. But yes many of the counties year is defined by how they do against their nearest and dearest, sometimes to the detriment of the remaining year. And also there is definitely no solidarity between the counties afterwards as they want them to get hammered by whoever they play, in that sense its very different to ulster. Could i see any Laois or Kildare lads shouting on the other against dubs? Not likely, they will want dubs to put up a cricket score. Its just how it is in Leinster, in footballing terms we have very raw rivalries no matter what the long term prospects are. And if in honest IM looking forward to seeing this, the next one will be a likely meeting of Meath v Westmeath / Louth, again hatred will be the order of the day, the Meath team would find it very hard to get back into Meath if the lost to either one, and i personally would have to leave the country if we lost to the westies.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/05/2015 14:26:59    1728620

Kildare and Meath could have won Ulster/Connaught titles in the past 5/6 years whilst they never would have won a Munster or Leinster. Look at the hammerings dished out by Kildare to the likes of Monaghan, Cavan and Derry whilst Meath hammered Tyrone?

Hmmmmm if your granny had balls and all that.

As far as I can see in 20-14 Kildare played Ulster runners up 2014 (got beat), Meath played Ulster semi-finalists Armagh (got beat).
2013 Kildare played Ulster quarter finalists Tyrone (got beat) and Meath played Ulster quarter finalists Tyrone (got beat).
2012 Kildare played Ulster preliminary round team Cavan (won - horrrah - is this the smoking gun???)
2011 Kildare played Ulster Champions Donegal (got beat)


Dreams and reality easily mixed up eh?

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 26/05/2015 14:30:45    1728623

royaldunne louth are gone haha
its meath/wicklow v westmeath/wexford
id expect westmeath to come through that one
and unless johnny mcgee has turned into tumbeldore since the last day of the league
meath should come through as well

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/05/2015 14:36:41    1728631

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 9601

1728607
connachtman
County: Galway
Posts: 3

1728576 Sorry my first post might be a bit confusing, what I'm trying to say is that there is no point in coming on here and saying "Leinster is a joke of a province" then saying the thread is aimed at Ulster...

Sorry only seeing the joke province post now but it came after the Ulster references so not a relevant point connachtman. I've never said anything about any province being a joke either. I'm speaking for myself.

I just realised that it wasnt you who said that after I posted *embarrassed* :( ...apologies!

connachtman (Galway) - Posts: 5 - 26/05/2015 14:38:34    1728633

No bother!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 26/05/2015 14:42:38    1728636

Naysayer most of those games came after a Leinster final defeat. If they had been in ulster i think they would have beaten a few of them.
But your right we can only speculate as it didn't and wont ever happen,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/05/2015 14:44:12    1728638

Hill yes of course i meant Wexford not Louth, i was already after mentioning them it was stuck in me auld noggin. But that was why i stated the Westmeath:)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/05/2015 14:49:57    1728641

here are some of my Aunts balls Naysayer....just a quick look at Kildare's record over the past few years....Meath something similar

2010 - Derry 1-7 to Kildare's 2-17 in Celtic Park
2010 - Antrim 0-9 to Kildare's 1-15
2010 - Kildare 1-15 to Monaghan's 1-11 Croker
2011 -Kildare 19 to Derry's 0-13
2012 - Cavan 1-9 to Kildare's 3-20

Kildare were extremely unlucky not to throw Donegal out of the championship in 2012 and losing to Tyrone in 2014 got the manager sacked.....

Basically Kildare and Meath can only dream to compete with the Dubs when they are roundly hammering Ulster sides...

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 26/05/2015 14:52:07    1728644

sportsfan

Just how far back are you talking when you say Meath hammered Tyrone?

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 26/05/2015 15:06:58    1728657

Thanks sportsfan14
for reminding posters of Kildare's record in recent years against Ulster opposition in the championship. But just to clarify Kildare lost to Donegal in 2011 not 2012 and lost to Tyrone narrowly in 2013.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 26/05/2015 15:18:41    1728667

Not so sure if its our biggest rivalry. It all depends where you come from in Kildare. For people in Athy, yes Laois is the big one but if you're from Johnstownbridge, Kilcock, Maynooth the big game is v Meath.

11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 26/05/2015 15:27:43    1728676

sportsfan14 Kildare had a good run against Ulster sides in 2010 but alas none of these teams were Ulster Champions so maybe reaching a little to say they would have won Ulster though they were a very fine team that year so I would say that might have been their best chance of a run. Yes they beat Cavan and Derry in 2012 and 2011 but again none of these teams were Ulster Champions.

Antrim beat Galway in 2012 but I would not say they would have won Connacht, we also beat Westmeath and Carlow in 2011 - so we would def have won Leinster that year - maybe we can speculate but come one you are getting a little more than poetic here.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 26/05/2015 15:30:05    1728678

Well since we only played Tyrone a few times and Tyrone only won one of those with very dodgy frees and a ref that should have been wearing a Tyrone top instead of the black one, i think the last hammering Meath gave Tyrone was the beautiful lobbed goal from graham god.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/05/2015 16:02:23    1728697

Sportsfan , your point actually shows how strong Ulster is. Kildare couldn't beat a Donegal side that just began under Jim ; they also couldn't beat Down or Tyrone in those years . You see , a side a win a match or two against these teams but to win 2-3 in a row is very difficult . You've just picked the matches that they won ; that wouldn't be good enough to win Ulster . Yes , there might be only one Ulster contented this year but it's based on the sum of all it's parts .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 26/05/2015 16:15:26    1728703