Maroonatic
County: Galway
Posts: 722

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cudederocket I'd like to see how long you'd remain standing if you got the sharp end of a hurl jabbed into your ribcage or solar plexus. That red card was deserved

Amazingly O'Conner was ok after he got "the sharp end of a hurl jabbed into his ribcage or solar plexus" and was back on his feet as soon as the red card was shown.
He was the one who ran at Tobin when he came on and then hits the deck like hes been shot when he gets it back. I really hope hes embarrassed by the way he carried on.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 25/05/2015 14:51:51    1728153

Doesn't matter how a player reacts to a blow, or the force of the blow you can't strike an opponent end off, two straight reds simple, no complaints. if you don't like the rules watch something else. Yes the over reactions are childish and stupid, and unnecessary but they should have no bearing on the issuing of these two red cards. Maybe players should direct their energy at playing the game rather than an opponent.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 25/05/2015 15:02:32    1728157

Arock,those type of clashes,that led to Tobins red card,happen in every intercounty game.Would u be willing to send off upto 10 players each game for a similiar action,or just the players whose opponent hits the deck,whether acting,or not?.Interesting the Clare man sprang to his feet the second the red card was brandished.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2015 15:16:18    1728163

Yesterdays game was poor by any standard.. Both teams were nervous and edgy and went out to stop the opposition playing rather than hurl. There was as flat an atmosphere as I've ever experienced during the first half, wouldn't call it soft though. Ugly, yes. plenty pulling and dragging and hard tackling. Cian Lynch probably has some shiner this morning if the welt under his eye on the Sunday game was anything to go by. He was a 19 year old making his championship debut and got plenty of it. He just hurled away though and took the belts, same with Shane O Donnell. Thought the overreaction of the Clare lad was ridiculous but there you go, it happens more often these days. refs are damned whatever they do in hurling, cards are given and then rescinded, moaning about it being a 'manly' game and letting it flow. Big problem for Clare by now has got to be Davys reputation. He's given so much abuse to refs the last few years a Clare fellah would have to be decapitated or at least pretend to be to get anything at the moment. I expect a much better actual game of hurling between limerick and Tipp.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1063 - 25/05/2015 15:23:55    1728169

I thought the ref letting the game flow instead of penalising blatant fouls led to the half-time schmozzle. There was an awful lot of carrying the ball into tackles by both teams which led to it being a scrappy affair, particularly in the 1st half. Too much negative tactics, let the hurling flow!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 25/05/2015 15:46:49    1728185

Arguing for the subjective application of a clearly stated rule is a slippery slope. The lad committed a red card offense; you can't complain about getting a red card!

I would think though, that had the game been better, none of us would even be arguing these points.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 25/05/2015 16:05:25    1728195

yerra shure if everyone does it then it's not really an offense. is that the rationale ? Maybe they should just throw the ball in and have a free-for-all and not bother with a ref

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 25/05/2015 16:35:57    1728220

Why not send everybody off for similiar minor incidents lads?10 a side every game.Is that what ye want.The only reason he was sent off was the Clare mans reaction.I dont condone violence on the pitch,of any sort,but this was a very harsh red card.Fair enough if ye are sticklers of the rule book,but if thats the case i could highlight 20 incidents in every game that are more deserving of a red card.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2015 17:18:21    1728243

Game gone soft , not half as soft as some on here judging by the comments . Look forward to all the rules being applied this Sunday , its what I live for .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/05/2015 18:28:43    1728283

Rules are rules Cuederocket.Striking or attempting to strike with the hurl is a red card offence.The players know this.You can do a lot of damage with the edge of the hurl, especially if you drive it into a lads ribs.The ref had no option and is not to blame.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 25/05/2015 18:31:13    1728284

I think the distinction to be made is striking with a hurley is stupid and deserves at least a yellow. Shouldering doesn't deserve anything. I really don't think Tobin even connected with the hurley and the clare guy was obviously playing for it. Tobin was incredibly stupid to play into this. Give him a belt of a shoulder if you want to act the big man coming into a game, don't use your hurley or there is no telling what the consequences are.

I think a good hurling referee uses a lot of common sense and it is open to interpretation what striking with a hurley is. I think the schmozzle at the end of the 1st half was borne out of frustration by both teams with the poor refereeing. I think the first red was probably correct but the second was, as others here have said, the ref just trying to even it up. We've seen it many times before.

Did clare really only get one free in the second half?? That's incredible from Limerick in fairness.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 25/05/2015 18:41:13    1728288

hurlingspuds,
the same ref reffed our game against Tipp in Thurles last summer and made more than a few strange decisions the worst one being to award a free to Tipp after a Galway back executed a perfect hook.He was at it again yesterday but in fairness to him I wouldn't fault him for the red cards.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 25/05/2015 19:03:49    1728304

All the Galway lads on this topic have said Tobin deserved to see red.I doubt a Galway club player has ever seen red for such an incident.Slayer said the last intercounty player to see red for such an action was B O Meara of Tipp,14 years ago.Interesting to hear posters different perspectives on it,but i hope it will be another 14 years before another player gets the line for something similiar.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2015 19:50:18    1728316

Good point made by Shane Dowling on Newstalk who said if Tobins was a red card then all 4 midfielders could get sent off before the throw-in in a lot of games.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2015 20:17:22    1728335

By the letter of the law both reds were correct Cuederocket.Tobin could have seen red for striking or for leaving his brain in the dressing room .When a ref sends off a player there is always the chance he will try to balance the books later in the game, Tobin should have known that.
Clare are still in the championship though , if they get McGrath and Bugler back they will be a force again.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 25/05/2015 20:22:07    1728338

In this case the law is an ass.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2015 20:41:51    1728350

If Shane Dowling's point is valid about how 4 midfielders could get sent off at the throw in then you should include the other 5 or 6 throw in's that happen during playing of the game etc.

When a player enters the game and does that stuff its lunacy and should be stamped out. You enter the field and if you are struck best thing to do is go down like a ton of bricks like the Clare lad did and don't react. its sad to see and look everyone knows it goes on the old welcome to the game kid shoulder , argy bargey nonsense.I'm sure this is what managers tell their players to do. We were all told it at some stage in our GAA careers to go down if you hit. See what happens the rest is up to the ref.

One solution and that's a Video Ref. Stop the game and let it be viewed if the ref feels like there is intent to strike just like Haw Eye when he believes a score should be given or not.

Since we have half started the ball rolling in technology lets continue with it.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 26/05/2015 13:00:07    1728555

If you look at the game again you will see Tobin jabs the player with the Bas it is completely different to players bumping into each other - you know in that time honoured manical childish way so beloved of certain GAA players. Maybe some of you want rules to be dispensed with or have them administered by a committee based purely on "common-sense". Every single sending off is disputed now - who the hell would be a ref? who the hell could be a ref?? We have this same rubbish every year "ahh he hit him on the head but sure isn't he wearing a helmet"? "Or why did he fall like a sack of potatoes" or "sure back in the day my uncle played with a broken neck and 150 stitches etc etc".
I have no doubt Tobin's red card will be "downgraded" based on that media savvy "common-sense" committee. However if you use a metre long lump of wood and just can't restrain/control yourself from striking out - deliberately - you shouldn't be playing the game. However if you think there should be rules based on the strenght of the strike you probably really need to start watching something else.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 26/05/2015 14:11:57    1728609

Hurling is in danger of been destroyed by Fuss Pot Referees tampering with a game which was fine.
Add a few drama queens of players & you get your 8 players sent off in the 3 hurling matchs last sunday!!

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 26/05/2015 14:12:35    1728611

Like it or not lads, hurlings rules are now being applied correctly. Donellan was swinging a hurl in the air, Tobin gave O'Connor the but of the hurl. Now correct me if I am wrong, but is the sole criteria which people want players sent off if O'Grady gets a broken jaw and O'Connor loses a kidney? A dig of a hurl in the stomach is a sore thing, and the player was stupid enough to do it giving the referee no option but to send him off.

But I have to admit, the entire Clare setup is a disgrace - mouthing on at the referee, and it is not just management - I noticed it at the U21 last year and 2 matches against them in the senior. I have never came across a more abusive bunch of supporters. They are a disgrace the lot of them.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 26/05/2015 15:57:18    1728693